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Old 12-31-2012, 06:37 AM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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No, enough with the idiotic slavery long business and working hours like third world countries!
Anyone who does not have time to shop 6 days a week should change their jobs, or do something about it... This is crazy, unbelievable and sad.

There are plenty of things to do when stores are closed, such as walking around, hiking, going to parks, play outside, watch tv, spend time with family and friends, read, go online, cook, attend services, etc. etc.

Your shows should be closed on Sundays and you should be paid for being off.
As I've argued in the past (on similar topics), why does any of this dictate having SUNDAY off? If I work Sunday-Thursday, I'm still working only 5 days on with 2 days off... same as somebody working Mon-Fri or Tues-Sat, etc. How is that any different, and how am I any more "overworked" just because my days include Sunday? Makes no sense, so you're only arguing this for religious reasons.
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Old 12-31-2012, 07:31 AM
 
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Why?? I work in a field that often requires Sunday work (I'm a public librarian), actually just got off work a few hours ago. Despite it still being "the holidays," the library was quite busy with people utilizing our services - checking in/out books & movies, studying in the study rooms, using our computers & wifi, asking us librarians for assistance, etc. I don't mind working on Sundays, nor do my co-workers AFAIK, and the people of our community appreciated having libraries open 7 days/week.

How does any of this affect or matter to YOU? What would be accomplished by us closing on that day? My other branch actually is closed on Sundays (solely for budget reasons), and our mostly Jewish & Asian patrons complain about that regularly. Point being, if you want to attend church and then do nothing all day, by all means do just that... but don't force the rest of us to suffer, just because that is your preference on how to spend Sundays.
We are mostly talking about retailers, not emergency service, necessary places, or libraries. Although I still think libraries should be closed on Sundays.

Jews and Asians complain? how about you tell the Jews to move to Israel if they don't respect the traditional culture and predominant religious belief in America or the western world. It's like a Christian living in Israel is complaining why stores are closed on Saturdays... It doesn't make any sense. Why should Christians or Muslims suffer in Israel? Same thing...

Maybe you don't mind working, but vast majority do mind and nobody should work on Sundays. You should be paid for being off from work.
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Old 12-31-2012, 07:38 AM
 
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Can you explain why, in cases where Sunday-working employees have another day off instead? What is the reasoning behind that time & a half pay? I mean, sure it would be nice... but I'd feel guilty getting paid more than somebody who works the same total hours/days per week, especially considering my Sabbath (when I observe) is on Friday-Saturday.

The regulations that do exist, like age and safety requirements, minimum pay, etc, make perfect sense - as they protect a worker from harm or "slave labor." What sense is there behind choosing an arbitrary day where employees get more money, even if they don't observe a Sunday Sabbath?
The point is everybody should have the same weekend day off (Sunday) without any competition or unfairness.
Government and state offices, banks, post offices and almost all non-retail jobs are closed on Sundays.

Sunday closing has nothing to do with religious reasons. Christians don't keep the sabbath as strict as Jews.
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Old 12-31-2012, 07:42 AM
 
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Anyways the Supreme Court has ruled Sunday closing law "blue law" constitutional all four times it has been taken to court, and two of those cases were because of Orthodox Jews who couldn't do business on Sundays and had to follow state laws.

Fortunately, the Jews lost
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Old 12-31-2012, 07:54 AM
 
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Please someone tell me when the pin-heads are going to figure out that an employers views on race, religion, ethnic or nationality have no bearing on the treatment of their employees. If the federal government grants employee rights to workers then the employer must accede to those rights. A Christian Scientist who doesn't believe in medicine isn't exempt from paying for the medical treatment (see workmen's comp) of their injured employees. Following that logic, if the federal government grants the right of employees to have certain medical procedures or treatments, the employer cannot deny those procedures or treatments because of their personal views. With the few exception of those religious "businesses" whose sole purpose is the promotion of those religious views.
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Old 12-31-2012, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Columbus
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A business can do what ever it wants, but it is a business and not the Holy Sanctified Church of Hobby Lobby, there for, it does not get religious exemption for offering birth control. they knew that when they incorporated.

Most stores are closed or have shortened hours on Sunday because they know alot of people go to church, have family dinners and get together to watch football on that day.
They knew they had to provide birth control when they incorporated?

Wow.
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Old 12-31-2012, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Columbus
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If I were Hobbly Lobby I would fire every female between the ages of 15-45. Only hire males and women that are at least 46 years of age.

Only way I'd hire a woman of child bearing age is if she had her tubes tied.
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Old 12-31-2012, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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If I were Hobbly Lobby I would fire every female between the ages of 15-45. Only hire males and women that are at least 46 years of age.

Only way I'd hire a woman of child bearing age is if she had her tubes tied.
Have you ever been in a Hobby Lobby? Most of the employees at our local HL are young women, the type you would see at McDonald's b/c that's the type of job it is. Anyway, age and sex discrimination is also illegal. Too bad for HL. [MOD CUT/off topic]

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Old 12-31-2012, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Columbus
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Please someone tell me when the pin-heads are going to figure out that an employers views on race, religion, ethnic or nationality have no bearing on the treatment of their employees. If the federal government grants employee rights to workers then the employer must accede to those rights. A Christian Scientist who doesn't believe in medicine isn't exempt from paying for the medical treatment (see workmen's comp) of their injured employees. Following that logic, if the federal government grants the right of employees to have certain medical procedures or treatments, the employer cannot deny those procedures or treatments because of their personal views. With the few exception of those religious "businesses" whose sole purpose is the promotion of those religious views.
Please someone tell me what gives the federal Govt the right to tell an employer and employee what their voluntary private contract should include in the first place?

What if I would rather have higher pay than bc coverage?

What if I wanted 6 days of vacation instead of 5 in place of bc coverage?

Thanks Obamacare for removing my and my employers right to choose.
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Old 12-31-2012, 08:26 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Well, it doesn't quite work that way. Hobby Lobby lost their case in their quest to try and control the sex lives of their employees. It really wasn't about abortion - it was about the morning after pill and their insurance, blah blah blah.

So - right now - it's Hobby Lobby that is going to have to do all the adjusting.
Or close its doors and all those employees lose their job.

Just another case of this government meddling in businesses where they have no right to be. All because of those busy body types who insist that they know what is right for everyone but themselves.
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