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Old 01-13-2013, 08:52 PM
 
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LOL. Great question. Ask the ladies.
Young men are giving up on marriage

Smart men!
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Old 01-13-2013, 09:06 PM
 
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Let me make something else clear. Karma's a real *****.

What I mean is that if you want someone of quality, you need to be a person of quality. If you want a hardworking, responsible, honest, financially stable, kindhearted, loving spouse who makes it a priority to live a healthy lifestyle, practice a particular faith in earnest (or not), live by their principles, etc. guess what - YOU HAVE TO BE THAT SAME CALIBER OF PERSON.

That's the tricky part for a lot of people, and, I hate to say it, a lot of women who want to get married so badly. I have really seen it, and so has my husband. He is "all of the above," and he was practically STALKED by women, many of whom I SWEAR were very nearly predators. I mean, they wanted this knight in shining armor, but what were they bringing to the table? Personal drama, debt, health problems, addictions, out of control kids, former marriages that they conveniently just didn't disclose. Dang! And even after we got serious and decided to be monogamous, some of these desperate women were relentless. It was like they smelled the scent of money and security, and went just about crazy. He would get pictures of them in the bathtub or in other provocative poses emailed to him - even by women he had never actually gone out with. He would get phone calls late at night - even after he told them he was dating someone else and would prefer they not call or contact him anymore. It was insane.

I assure you - I NEVER stalked a man like that. Women - have some dignity and pride about yourselves!
A woman that sees what guys see and is honest about it!
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Old 01-13-2013, 09:07 PM
 
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Lucky women...
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Old 01-13-2013, 11:04 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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In your world, families and unrestrained orgasms are mutually exclusive?
Let's just say that a person who can't restrain the scope of his or her orgasmic escapades is unlikely to stay married or to get married in the first place.
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Old 01-13-2013, 11:07 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Let's just say that a person who can't restrain the scope of his or her orgasmic escapades is unlikely to stay married or to get married in the first place.
How do you restrain an orgasm? Isn't an orgasm an orgasm?
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Old 01-13-2013, 11:18 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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People who seriously practice a traditional religious faith are most likely to live by the tenets of that religious faith, which most likely prohibits or discourages divorce. So what you're really saying is that people who believe that divorce is bad don't get divorced - what a surprise!
Apparently it's a surprise to some men on the forum. Try to follow the conversation. A couple of male posters were explaining that they can't find any marriageable women out there. I am simply suggesting that if a man wants a woman who isn't going to divorce him when she has a bad hair day, he needs to find a woman who doesn't believe in divorce - and that means she will be seriously religious and also will belong to a family that is seriously religious. Such women are not going to be found in the clubs, or sunning quasi-naked on the beach, or at the local co-ed fitness center/meat-market either. One only finds such ladies well protected in their religious (and sometimes ethnic) subcultures and families.

To continue my advice to these gentlemen, you don't just break into those communities for the sake of finding a wife. You need to genuinely belong for the right reasons, or at least be a respected and longstanding fellow-traveler. If you're not firmly associated with such a community, and trusted by its members, you're probably stuck with a certain kind of woman. That's just the breaks.

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Old 01-13-2013, 11:42 PM
 
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Lucky women...
Yeah, I've seen this one before. Unfortunately for the people making this sort of argument, the facts don't bear it out. The amount of women wanting to marry is going up over the years. Women took to the whole "a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" thing but then found out they actually did want a man after all and reversed course. The trend now is more women wanting marriage and less men wanting marriage. The happiness trend is similar, although not as pronounced. Women are growing less happy with their lives over time, while men are remaining relatively constant with a slight increase in reported happiness. The lifespan edge women had is narrowing as well, only being about half what it was a century ago. At the same time, the homelessness rates and suicide rates amongst men are still far greater but I haven't seen anything on how that relates to the former stats, if it relates at all.
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Old 01-13-2013, 11:56 PM
 
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Finding a religious woman doesn't make any difference considering what a religion become. Christians, like adherents of other religions, have a divorce rate of about 42%. The rate among religiously unaffiliated Americans is 50%. (not impressive, and born again have higher divorce rate than atheists).

Christianity is famous for its "spiritual buffet" meaning you pick what you like, disregard everything else or you take literally what you like and take as a parable everything else . Good luck finding a woman who takes Bible passages on woman roles, sex and divorce seriously. Absolute majority of ostentatiously Christian American women don't take literally that part of the Bible
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Old 01-14-2013, 12:27 AM
 
Location: The Other California
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Finding a religious woman doesn't make any difference ...
It makes a huge difference, but only if she belongs to a seriously religious family and community - a community that is vitally important to her identity, with traditional sanctions against divorce. Faith, family, and community are what keep a woman grounded in reality. A good husband is not enough. Getting divorced needs to have painful social consequences.

It's true that some protestant sects have become very tolerant of divorce, so not just any religion will do either.

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Old 01-14-2013, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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It makes a huge difference, but only if she belongs to a seriously religious family and community - a community that is vitally important to her identity, with traditional sanctions against divorce. Faith, family, and community are what keep a woman grounded in reality. A good husband is not enough. Getting divorced needs to have painful social consequences.

It's true that some protestant sects have become very tolerant of divorce, so not just any religion will do either.
I know right, we need to go back to the days where you have to kill your spouse if you want a divorce, those were the good ol'days.
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