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I suspect a majority of the "takers" are under 18 or over 65, particularly the latter. When the demographic pig in the python passes things will likely change.
I am 61, and so don't understand the bit on over 65...... Those over 65 know a totally different American than those under 50.
We know money when it was silver still, and paper notes were backed by metal.
We know what inalienable rights are too.... I am curios to know more of what you think...
I guess the outcome of this 2nd amendment debate and "fixing" will determine what our future holds.
The man doing this today is already voted into office for another 4 years which hasn't started yet.
He has no aspirations since this is his second/last term so there's no need to pander or coddle to groups to get their vote.
For such an unknown he has been able to do with EOs what other Presidents didn't (invade a country and grant amnesty) with little fanfare from Congress. And this from a former junior Senator with no leadership history.
All I have to say is that there is some really powerful money behind this man.
The Rape of a nation...... We will heal once the pillage stops. There is no way he can take inalienable rights.
I am 61, and so don't understand the bit on over 65...... Those over 65 know a totally different American than those under 50.
We know money when it was silver still, and paper notes were backed by metal.
We know what inalienable rights are too.... I am curios to know more of what you think...
Good for you those over 65 also get social security and medicare which are the biggest government expenditures which makes them some of the largest present day takers from the government.
Good for you those over 65 also get social security and medicare which are the biggest government expenditures which makes them some of the largest present day takers from the government.
But they paid into the system in good faith for all their working years, just like you are doing.
It's was FDR's great idea that the government will take care of you in your old age.
It's not like these people are cheating the system or committing fraud.
But they paid into the system in good faith for all their working years, just like you are doing.
It's was FDR's great idea that the government will take care of you in your old age.
It's not like these people are cheating the system or committing fraud.
You did pay into the system and that money was more or less spend. In present day terms and historically 65+ are major takers from the government while 18-64 are principle givers. Not that anything is wrong with that, but it is a problem with trying to create a simplistic giver-taker argument.
I would also suggest that this is a large part of why Romney Ryan lost young people by large margins. Basically their plan for medicare was that everyone 55+ gets full benefits, while everyone under them pays for 30 years to provide said benefits and then gets a worthless coupon.
You did pay into the system and that money was more or less spend. In present day terms and historically 65+ are major takers from the government while 18-64 are principle givers. Not that anything is wrong with that, but it is a problem with trying to create a simplistic giver-taker argument.
Sure it's spent because today's workers support today's retirees.
One problem is that today's worker's are earning less so less goes to the government.
If salaries had kept up with inflation all these years and they raised the FICA tax by 1-2% and the age to 67-68 gradually like they did once before then I think we wouldn't have such a big problem on our hands like we do.
But this was known years ago and nothing was done about it. And we know it today and still nothing is being done about it.
All these entitlement programs (both earned and means tested) have become sacred cows that no politican will touch even though most of them have overrun their budgeted allocations.
Good for you those over 65 also get social security and medicare which are the biggest government expenditures which makes them some of the largest present day takers from the government.
I will be getting SS soon too.. I have only been paying in since i turned 14 years old. It isn't my fault the GOVERNMENT didn't invest the money wisely, and blew it on programs, and assorted other BS no one really needs.
The POINT is for almost all my life I have been paying in and i won't get back 1/2 of what that IS.
If the govt had invested that money wisely for millions of people we would be far ahead instead of in a hole.
This problem is by and for heavy spenders in the Govt who have no real reason to have ever been a PUBLIC SERVANT. Most of the Elite public servants these days have had so many face lifts they in fact speak from their ass....
Don't be blaming workers and business for the lack of quality Governing...
I will be getting SS soon too.. I have only been paying in since i turned 14 years old. It isn't my fault the GOVERNMENT didn't invest the money wisely, and blew it on programs, and assorted other BS no one really needs.
The POINT is for almost all my life I have been paying in and i won't get back 1/2 of what that IS.
If the govt had invested that money wisely for millions of people we would be far ahead instead of in a hole.
This problem is by and for heavy spenders in the Govt who have no real reason to have ever been a PUBLIC SERVANT. Most of the Elite public servants these days have had so many face lifts they in fact speak from their ass....
Don't be blaming workers and business for the lack of quality Governing...
It still makes you a taker in present government expenditure terms. The fact, is in the near future a portion of my paycheck and the paychecks of others like me will be redistributed to you and similarly situated people, which makes you a taker. Thus why giver-taker black and white comparisons are not particularly helpful.
I do not believe a “Civil War” is brewing. There is no competing political entity rising up in opposition to the current regime.
However, there are polarizing and divisive forces pitting one group against others.
In terms of “political” power - the “Takers” are the majority and the “Taken” are the minority, according to the last election. Of course, that situation is unsustainable, and once the “Taken” cease cooperating, the “it” will hit the “fan”.
Amongst the recipient group, the Old recipients are pitted against the Young recipients. The Old currently outnumber the Young recipients, but that will also create conflict.
Creditors versus Debtors (bankrupts) is another source of c(l)ash warfare.
The recent furor over the anti-gun gun-ban-ditos is stirring up anti-gun-ban fervor. That may also trigger a firefight, figuratively speaking.
As to the schism within the usurer and socialist alliance, who knows how that will play out?
I suspect that based on numbers of warm bodies, the socialist pirates and parasites outnumber the usurer abominations. But the usurers have been at it for 3500 years and have a long track record of successful defense of their bailiwick.
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