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Umm... you do know the OP, with whom you have seemed to join forces, thinks the entire country should kiss a ring, don't you? The Pope's. He's posted he thinks the Catholic church should be in charge of ALL of us.
Or do you also think we should all be kissing the Pope's ring? If not, you might consider re-thinking your analogies.
It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than it is for a business man to cross over into the Kingdom of Heaven.
It's going to be a sad day for Hobby Lobby, if Mr. Green chooses to shut down his business and put all those people out of work, because he chooses the life of unborn children, over making money for himself and others.
When I left this thread this morning to take off for work, I had sometime to think about it. I thought of all the business whose values reflect that of Mr. Green and the possible shut downs across this nation. With a country who is economically on a down poor as it is, well, guess what, it is going to get much worse.
When the Supreme Court ruled to uphold Obamacare, I knew then that the value meter for life, just took a nose dive.
The value meter for life has been knocked down steadily over the years and, yes, with Obamacare it took a nosedive. Obamacare is such a misnomer. People don't have a clue as to what's really in store for them. The sad thing is, majority of people didn't want Obamacare, but the government forced it upon us by passing it not because it's good for us, but it's good for the government. That was an example of the greatest misrepresentation of the people I can recall. Government BY the people is also in a nosedive.
As for the rich man and the needle...well, not if he is saved and makes the right choices. But your talk about these hard choices here is going to go over most people's heads because they either don't understand, or don't want to understand. Once it's understood, action is required. You should take this to the religion forum, where you may not be throwing pearls before so many...well, you know how that verse goes.
I agree with many of your points, though I see some inconsistency. However, overall, you've presented a good argument. Kudos to you for that. But, like I said, it would probably have more effect in the other forum where people may not be so biased against it.
Birth control is OFFERED. If a hobby lobby employee deems it is against their religion to use birth control they have the free choice to NOT use it.
That employee is not being FORCED to use birth control or do anything that they would consider 'immoral'.
The argument that the employee has a free choice to not use it has no relevance. Whether employees use it or not, the offer of this coverage costs the business money, and the offering of the coverage is against the employer's values yet it is forced upon the employer. It seems unfair that the business must pay for something the owner believes is immoral.
Birth control is not a major medical or catastrophic issue, and those employees who wish to use it are FREE to do so. Hobby Lobby is not preventing anyone from using it and paying for their own.
The argument that the employee has a free choice to not use it has no relevance. Whether employees use it or not, the offer of this coverage costs the business money, and the offering of the coverage is against the employer's values yet it is forced upon the employer. It seems unfair that the business must pay for something the owner believes is immoral.
Gee, really? And do only people with the owners same values shop and spend their money there? What would happen to the business if ONLY people with similar 'values' shopped there?
If he's that determined, he should not make money off of people who do not share his values! How two-faced can someone get? After all, the money he takes for a salary comes from people who probably don't share every 'value' he ascribes to. Hypocrite !!!!
Gee, really? And do only people with the owners same values shop and spend their money there? What would happen to the business if ONLY people with similar 'values' shopped there?
If he's that determined, he should not make money off of people who do not share his values! How two-faced can someone get? After all, the money he takes for a salary comes from people who probably don't share every 'value' he ascribes to. Hypocrite !!!!
That's the problem with the liberal argument - it gets all mixed up in non-relevancy.
There's no backfiring. Where do you see backfiring?
I see social evolution where evil inhabits this land for the 1,000 years as prophesied in Revelations, before the coming of Christ. At the stroke of a pen, we're moving forward. Imagine that.
If you have to resort to beliefs (rather than facts) to defend your argument, you have no defense. Your babbling about evil and Christ is just so much nonsense and would be meaningless in any court of law.
The argument that the employee has a free choice to not use it has no relevance. Whether employees use it or not, the offer of this coverage costs the business money, and the offering of the coverage is against the employer's values yet it is forced upon the employer. It seems unfair that the business must pay for something the owner believes is immoral.
Birth control is not a major medical or catastrophic issue, and those employees who wish to use it are FREE to do so. Hobby Lobby is not preventing anyone from using it and paying for their own.
There's a denseness that can't be penetrated among those who argue that Green/HL is 'forcing' or 'foisting' his religion upon anyone by not covering emergency contraception. I don't know if it's due to anti-religionism, not knowing what being forced to do something really means, or what.
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It's all relevant. Saying it isn't does not make it so.
