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Old 01-18-2013, 09:02 AM
 
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Yet another situation where a progressive darling is the persecuted victim. Other people's property, intellectual or otherwise, is just that their property. Only sanctimonious, ethically challenged, excusers say, but it was victimless, they were over zealous, jstor didn't want to prosecute. Jstor sells what they sell, because it has value. Folks willingly pay for jstor subcriptions because they find the information useful and valuable. So, the jstor didn't want to prosecute excuse is a bogus strawman. It is all so much belly button studying, arbitrariness from those who have no moral grounding, other than what they feel is right.

The young man was by all reports brilliant, rich and spoiled, apparently not to mentally healthy, and now gone. Given his mental history, if not this, then some other situation would have flipped the switch.

Here is what is not fair, if there one must go. Was it fair that this young man, from a very early age, had all that wealth, privilege and advantage provides? Would another child, just as smart, but living in poverty, in a single parent, maybe even a grandparent parented household, be provided the same opportunity as this young man?
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Old 01-18-2013, 10:08 AM
 
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Yet another situation where a progressive darling is the persecuted victim. Other people's property, intellectual or otherwise, is just that their property. Only sanctimonious, ethically challenged, excusers say, but it was victimless, they were over zealous, jstor didn't want to prosecute. Jstor sells what they sell, because it has value. Folks willingly pay for jstor subcriptions because they find the information useful and valuable. So, the jstor didn't want to prosecute excuse is a bogus strawman. It is all so much belly button studying, arbitrariness from those who have no moral grounding, other than what they feel is right.

The young man was by all reports brilliant, rich and spoiled, apparently not to mentally healthy, and now gone. Given his mental history, if not this, then some other situation would have flipped the switch.

Here is what is not fair, if there one must go. Was it fair that this young man, from a very early age, had all that wealth, privilege and advantage provides? Would another child, just as smart, but living in poverty, in a single parent, maybe even a grandparent parented household, be provided the same opportunity as this young man?

Your point is totally misdirected. He earned his own living from programming starting at age 14. He wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth.
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Old 01-18-2013, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Northern CA
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This case was a ridiculous thing for the prosecutor to have obviously spent so much money and energy on. Absolutely bullying. You should read the article more closely. There were no "victims" of this action; do you really think he should have been facing 35 YEARS in prison? That's absurd. IMO it was prosecutorial abuse of power.
They threw everything they could at this young genius. He was looking at 50 years imprisonment for academic writings he wanted the public to have access to. Not the crime of the century! We lost another great American, and the gov't is to blame.
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Old 01-18-2013, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Seems the government is not a big proponent of freedom and transparency.
35 years even though his goal was not financial profit.

At least Assange was able to flee to another country.
Too bad this guy didn't.
^^^^^ exactly! Very sad.
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Old 01-18-2013, 10:20 AM
 
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Did you feel the same way about Manning and Assange ?
Yes.
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Old 01-18-2013, 10:32 AM
 
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They threw everything they could at this young genius. He was looking at 50 years imprisonment for academic writings he wanted the public to have access to. Not the crime of the century! We lost another great American, and the gov't is to blame.
NOT his call to make. Maybe that arrogance had something to do with the harsh penalty, he was just some kid breaking the law but he thought he was much more. He was not a great American, just another criminal with a mental illness. He ended up the same as a typical street gang member, doing illegal stuff, then dead at a young age.
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Old 01-18-2013, 11:20 AM
 
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"Anonymous crashed MIT's website on Sunday evening in a defiant move over the prosecution of Swartz which the hacker group described as 'a grotesque miscarriage of justice'.

The message which appeared in place of the site, read: 'Whether or not the government contributed to his suicide, the government’s prosecution of Swartz was a grotesque miscarriage of justice, a distorted and perverse shadow of the justice that Aaron died fighting for - freeing the publicly-funded scientific literature from a publishing system that makes it inaccessible to most of those who paid for it - enabling the collective betterment of the world through the facilitation of sharing - an ideal that we should all support.'

Go Anonymous !

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Old 01-18-2013, 11:23 AM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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Swartz was mentally ill. For years preceding his criminal activities. The government should agressively prosecute the hackers. Even more forcefully than previously.
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Old 01-18-2013, 12:43 PM
 
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You might want to do a bit of biographical research. And demographic research. ~85% white, fewer than ~5% of children living below the poverty line, median income more than double the rest of Illinois. The former young Mr Swartz upbringing and eventual burial in Highland Park, IL is about as white bread as you can get. Besides, that last bit of my comment was just rattatattat. The meat of the comment was about victimization, arbitrariness of value establishment by secual progressives.

'Sides, the only thing I have ever agreed with that gomejico has written, is true. The young man was nuts. Nuts and genius are not unfamiliar bunk mates.
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Your point is totally misdirected. He earned his own living from programming starting at age 14. He wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth.
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Old 01-18-2013, 01:40 PM
 
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You might want to do a bit of biographical research. And demographic research. ~85% white, fewer than ~5% of children living below the poverty line, median income more than double the rest of Illinois. The former young Mr Swartz upbringing and eventual burial in Highland Park, IL is about as white bread as you can get. Besides, that last bit of my comment was just rattatattat. The meat of the comment was about victimization, arbitrariness of value establishment by secual progressives.

'Sides, the only thing I have ever agreed with that gomejico has written, is true. The young man was nuts. Nuts and genius are not unfamiliar bunk mates.

Well you can go on believing that but to the rest of the world he was a brilliant young man who was" "passionate and articulate about social justice and access to knowledge, and who questioned and challenged authority (libraries included)." As someone who for years had a bumper sticker on my car stating "question authority" that's the kind of person I admire.


Remember Aaron Swartz
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