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I see your logical thinking skills have turned themselves off for the day, but thanks for playing.
We aren't talking about any of the things that you just mentioned, nor do they belong in a thread about legalizing drugs. However, since you asked about them I'll give you my views on those as well.
Child pornography: Taking sexual advantage of someone who is not emotionally or mentally developed enough to give consent.
Rape: Forcing another individual to take part in a sexual activity against their will.
Yeah, these have a lot in common with taking drugs, don't they?
Legislating morality is not the same as preventing one person from harming another.
Bestiality: if you wish to engage in this activity, please stay away from any livestock that is headed for the food market. We have enough problems with commercially grown livestock in this country, I'd hate to get an STD from eating a steak.
Incest: not my problem if you've got the hots for your sister and the feeling is mutual, as long as you're both above the age of consent. Try not to let it result in pregnancy due to the mental and physical retardation that can be the result of 'keeping it in the family.'
When your logic returns, please explain how it is logical to permit one addictive substance, such as alcohol, to be consumed by anyone over the age of 21 while at the same time prohibiting other addictive substances, at least one of which is less addictive than alcohol is.
I guess whatever special grand intellect and "logical skills" that you are self proclaiming aren't exactly being put to use in the 20 minutes to write this. But I suppose it's comfortable to rationalize your position on this when you simply lack any moral boundaries and self control.
What I stated was in gest and simply highlighted the slippery slope argument--nothing more, nothing less. You simply missed the curve ball on that one.
As for the legalization of drugs, outside of the problems associated with the chemical dependence of narcotics; "legalization" would do nothing more than increase public consumption in the "free market" and incur a wrath of medical healthcare costs more than it already has. Whatever "profits" that we would gain by it's legalization would be drowned by the amount of money that it would cost to medically treat and rehabilitate those individuals. Other than the problems wrought by hard drug dependence, this cost alone is enough to keep it under wraps.
Great posts, workingclasshero. The only thing I feel you may have left out was the fact that one of the big motivators for making hemp illegal was racism. In his testimony to Congress, Anslinger stated:
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There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US,
and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers.
Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage.
This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations
with Negroes, entertainers and any others.
I guess whatever special grand intellect and "logical skills" that you are self proclaiming aren't exactly being put to use in the 20 minutes to write this. But I suppose it's comfortable to rationalize your position on this when you simply lack any moral boundaries and self control.
What I stated was in gest and simply highlighted the slippery slope argument--nothing more, nothing less. You simply missed the curve ball on that one.
As for the legalization of drugs, outside of the problems associated with the chemical dependence of narcotics; "legalization" would do nothing more than increase public consumption in the "free market" and incur a wrath of medical healthcare costs more than it already has. Whatever "profits" that we would gain by it's legalization would be drowned by the amount of money that it would cost to medically treat and rehabilitate those individuals. Other than the problems wrought by hard drug dependence, this cost alone is enough to keep it under wraps.
The slippery slope argument that you wrote in 'gest' (I'm assuming you meant jest) didn't come across as either. It came across as the typical reaction that is seen all too often on these boards, which is to use preposterous arguments when you don't agree with someone.
As for my morals or lack thereof, they are neither in question nor any of your business.
Legalizing, regulating, and treating addiction to drugs, while it may be costly, would be a far more effective way of dealing with the drug problems in the United States than what we are currently doing. I'm not sure that your estimation of the costs being higher than the "war on drugs" is accurate, but either way our current strategy isn't working. We've tried to fight drugs by penalizing drug users for the last 50+ years, and the only thing we've managed to do is create some very wealthy criminals and put more people in prison for non-violent crimes than we do for violent ones.
Why a thread fail? What party wants to legalize and what party is opposed to it?
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Originally Posted by KUchief25
Good question. Lets see what Obama has to say about it shall we................
"Recently, there have been increasing efforts to legalize marijuana. The Obama Administration has consistently reiterated its firm opposition to any form of drug legalization. Together with Federal partners and state and local officials, the Office of National Drug Control Policy is working to reduce the use of marijuana and other illicit drugs through development of strategies that fully integrate the principles of prevention, treatment, recovery, and effective supply reduction efforts. Proposals such as legalization that would promote marijuana use are inconsistent with this public health and safety approach."
What say you natalie? Dear leader is against it. Dear leader is a democrat. Oh nooooooo whatever will you scream about now??
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Originally Posted by natalie469
I have no dear leader and screamed about nothing lol Some of us have minds of our own, you know. Maybe that's the problem with Republicans....they need someone to tell them how to think
Since you were just proved completely wrong, maybe you aren't the poster child for independent thought.
Why are conservatives so against personal liberty when it comes to marijuana legalization?
Fear of the unknown. Like buggery, they don't know - and think they don't want to know, what they're missing. Or if they do know, they're just not talking about it.
Great posts, workingclasshero. The only thing I feel you may have left out was the fact that one of the big motivators for making hemp illegal was racism. In his testimony to Congress, Anslinger stated:
"..the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races."
"Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing."
"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others."
"Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men."
"Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death."
"You smoke a joint and you're likely to kill your brother."
"Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind."
Perhaps because the majority of today's conservatives are not truly such. They tend to support big government, just in the personal sphere.
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