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The two spirit people of many native American tribes were allowed to marry just like any other people, and were ofetn held in high esteem.
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Native Americans have often held intersex, androgynous people, feminine males and masculine females in high respect. The most common term to define such persons today is to refer to them as "two-spirit" people, but in the past feminine males were sometimes referred to as "berdache" by early French explorers in North America, who adapted a Persian word "bardaj", meaning an intimate male friend. Because these androgynous males were commonly married to a masculine man, or had sex with men, and the masculine females had feminine women as wives, the term berdache had a clear homosexual connotation. Both the Spanish settlers in Latin America and the English colonists in North America condemned them as "sodomites".
Now that the OP has a track record of being wrong, we should probably let this thread end. There's no point in discussing topics with people who are wrong.
My apology then. My original point was to mean that same sex marriage that was widely accepted. My original statement was too extreme.
Why does it have to be widely accepted? Polygamy and polyandry are and were not widely accepted either. Like all the rest who start a thread like this, the op's are strongly against same sex marriage. If you do not want a same sex marriage, do not get one, that simple, but to deny it to a group of people because of your morals, your bible or just because you think it is icky is selfish. The only reason that many Native American tribes currently ban same sex marriage is because they have been endocrinated against it for over 100 years, prior to the US government placing a ban on them allowing it, same sex attraction of an individual was and indication that that person was closer to god, was chosen by their god, they were considered special and holy. We decimated their tribes, their livelyhood and their societal structure and made them conform to US law.
The point really is about freedom. What consenting adults want to do to each other should not need government intervention.
If we allow, the word allow is so condescending, same sex marriage, why don't we allow poly?
You can compare heter-sex to homo-sex but you can't compare mono to poly?
The point is, there are several restrictions on marriage. The race restriction being changed did not change the age restriction or the restriction on the number of participants. The age restrictions (different for each state) do not effect the gender, or number restrictions.
For EACH restriction the state has to show compelling state interest as to why it is there. There was no compelling state interest to keep the race restriction, so it was done away with. There is no compelling state interest for the gender restriction, so it will be done away with.
EACH restriction will stand or fall based on its own merits. If there is no compelling state interest to deny poly groups, then that restriction will fall too. I, personally, don't care if it does. But the legal marriage contract will have to be rewritten to deal with more than two. The marriage contract does not need to be rewritten to allow same sex couples to marry.
I'd just like to once again point out the fact that there is not a single reason to oppose same sex marriage that does not stem from fear, ignorance, bigotry, or some combination of those three things. Not a single one.
To preclude two consenting adults from marrying based solely on their gender is the very definition of bigotry and discrimination.
I'd just like to once again point out the fact that there is not a single reason to oppose same sex marriage that does not stem from fear, ignorance, bigotry, or some combination of those three things. Not a single one.
To preclude two consenting adults from marrying based solely on their gender is the very definition of bigotry and discrimination.
That holds true for polygamy and all similar variants.
So if you don't want to be fearful, ignorant, a bigot or some combination of the above you have to accept that others should be able to do as they please in terms of marriage/unions.
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