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Funny thing is, there really aren't many here who have said that poly relationships should be illegal. Most of us are just stating the fact that the current marriage contract wouldn't work for more than two people.
How do you think that the existing marriage laws would work for 3,4,6,10 people?
Inheritance? currently everything goes to the other person if there isn't a will. How would that work for more than two with no will? It would have to go to court.
Taxes? two people can combine their earnings, and get taxed as one. What happens when there are 5 people and only 2 work? Do they get to claim all the others as dependents?
Divorce? Currently person a and person b are married, so they divorce each other. What happens in a poly group? Person a wants out, so do they have to divorce person b, c, d, e, and f?
Medical decisions? currently your spouse can make medical decisions for you. What happens if the spouses don't agree on your treatment? What if spouse A,C, and F say do this treatment/surgery, and Spouse B, D, and E say no?
Citizenship? Currently you can sponsor your spouse. Can a polygamist sponsor a village?
These are very real issues that would have to be worked out before Poly marriage could be legal that don't apply to same sex marriage.
What part of "two consenting adults" do you not understand?
Three is not the same as two.
I read the "two" and understood the "two". Three is not the same as two. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
However, it makes no sense to forgo being fearful, ignorant, a bigot or some combination of the above in regards to one form of union and then just turn around and be fearful, ignorant, a bigot or some combination of the above in regards to another type of union. In fact, that would be even more ignorant if that were possible.
Consenting adults are consenting adults. It doesn't matter how many are involved as long as they are all consenting.
Inheritance? currently everything goes to the other person if there isn't a will. How would that work for more than two with no will? It would have to go to court.
Divide according to the time of marriage for each person.
Taxes? two people can combine their earnings, and get taxed as one. What happens when there are 5 people and only 2 work? Do they get to claim all the others as dependents?
They can report as joint or individually; two people cannot claim the same dependents.
Divorce? Currently person a and person b are married, so they divorce each other. What happens in a poly group? Person a wants out, so do they have to divorce person b, c, d, e, and f?
They divorce from those whom they have been married to.
Medical decisions? currently your spouse can make medical decisions for you. What happens if the spouses don't agree on your treatment? What if spouse A,C, and F say do this treatment/surgery, and Spouse B, D, and E say no?
They can vote if no designated person has been chosen or go by the seniority. Even in today's monogamous marriage, people face the same issue.
Citizenship? Currently you can sponsor your spouse. Can a polygamist sponsor a village?
Yes, but we can put in limit such as you have to stay married for X amount of years after become citizens.
These are very real issues that would have to be worked out before Poly marriage could be legal that don't apply to same sex marriage.
If you support gay marriage, shouldn't you in the same breath support polygamy? Please do not bring up underage marriage and pedophile etc. There have already been laws in place for those.
I am talking about consenting adults who want to practice polygamy, both polygyny and polyandry.
By the way, if you want to spread the wealth of the rich people, polygamy is the way to go. In two generations, their wealth would be gone because they have to support all the wives and kids. :-)
I don't care what people get up to. If that's what a group of people wants, so be it. As long as I don't have to pay for it, I'm fine.
Inheritance? currently everything goes to the other person if there isn't a will. How would that work for more than two with no will? It would have to go to court.
Divide according to the time of marriage for each person.
Taxes? two people can combine their earnings, and get taxed as one. What happens when there are 5 people and only 2 work? Do they get to claim all the others as dependents?
They can report as joint or individually; two people cannot claim the same dependents.
Divorce? Currently person a and person b are married, so they divorce each other. What happens in a poly group? Person a wants out, so do they have to divorce person b, c, d, e, and f?
They divorce from those whom they have been married to.
Medical decisions? currently your spouse can make medical decisions for you. What happens if the spouses don't agree on your treatment? What if spouse A,C, and F say do this treatment/surgery, and Spouse B, D, and E say no?
They can vote if no designated person has been chosen or go by the seniority. Even in today's monogamous marriage, people face the same issue.
Citizenship? Currently you can sponsor your spouse. Can a polygamist sponsor a village?
Yes, but we can put in limit such as you have to stay married for X amount of years after become citizens.
These are very real issues that would have to be worked out before Poly marriage could be legal that don't apply to same sex marriage.
Again, solutions to everything. :-)
Great, you have all the legal issues surrounding marriage worked out for poly marriage. When will you be starting the fight to get it legalized? I'll vote in favor.
Good to know you support my right to marry my partner too.
That holds true for polygamy and all similar variants.
Well, it's a separate issue, primarily from a legal standpoint, but as I've already stated, I couldn't care less if groups of conensual adults want to engage in ploygamy. It's none of my business. They should be free to do so.
It is a different matter than an adult, consensual couple getting married, however. Trying to conflate the two things is about on the level of people who always bring up pedophilia as somehow being related to homosexuality.
What "similar variants" are you referring to?
I'd just like to once again point out the fact that there is not a single reason to oppose same sex marriage that does not stem from fear, ignorance, bigotry, or some combination of those three things. Not a single one.
To preclude two consenting adults from marrying based solely on their gender is the very definition of bigotry and discrimination.
The same types of people who oppose same sex marriage are the same types of people who opposed interracial marriage a few decades back, and they used the same fearful, ignorant, bigoted "arguments" such as:
"If we let black and white people marry, then pretty soon fathers will want to marry their daughters and brothers will marry their sisters and people will be wedding their farm animals!"
or
"It's not natural! It's against Jesus!"
...and other such fearful, ignorant, bigoted nonsense.
So if you don't want to be fearful, ignorant, a bigot or some combination of the above you have to accept that others should be able to do as they please in terms of marriage/unions.
Why? May as well say that since an opposite sex couple can marry, so can multiples. Polygamy and polyandry involve multiple partners, the logistics and legality of those unions are much more complicated than that of two people. The similarity of same sex unions and opposite sex unions are both of two people joining their property and lives. If a spouse in a polygamous union dies, who inherits the combined wealth, who gets the social security, who gains custody of the children? Are the remaining spouses still married to each others or is the marriage nulled. In polygamy, who is the primary, the husband with the wives just being his property, same with polyandry, is the wife the sole power or do the men she marries remain married to each other if she dies. Multiple spouse marriages like those are not any where similar to ssm or osm. I have a friend who has been in a multiple person relationship for over 12 years and last year they added a new member to their relationship making it a foursome. They understand that having multiple partners all in one house, one relationship, both has plusses and minuses. There is always someone to turn to, but also that in their relationship. they have to make decisions that affect all four of them. With two, it is simple, they have just each other to be concerned about. In polygamy and polyandry, are the wives/husbands also married to each other, or just to the man/woman, would it be open to two men and two women marrying or even greater multiples, like 3 of each or 4 of each? Do they pool all of their ss benefits and then it becomes a legal situation of who inherits what. It is simple with ssm and osm, the surviving spouse is the sole surviver and inherits all. It is the legality and complications that stop polygamy and polyandry, not hatred, fear or bigotry.
...it makes no sense to forgo being fearful, ignorant, a bigot or some combination of the above in regards to one form of union and then just turn around and be fearful, ignorant, a bigot or some combination of the above in regards to another type of union. In fact, that would be even more ignorant if that were possible.
Consenting adults are consenting adults. It doesn't matter how many are involved as long as they are all consenting.
As has been pointed out to you, most of the posts on this thread endorse polygamy just as they endorse same sex marriage.
This doesn't realy mitigate the fact that same sex marriage isn't precisely the same issue as plural marriage. People aren't born with a disposition to engage in plural marriage.
As has been pointed out to you, most of the posts on this thread endorse polygamy just as they endorse same sex marriage.
This doesn't realy mitigate the fact that same sex marriage isn't precisely the same issue as plural marriage. People aren't born with a disposition to engage in plural marriage.
I agree. People aren't born with a disposition to engage in plural marriage just like they aren't born to engage in monogamous marriages. But people do both.
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