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Old 09-16-2013, 12:19 AM
 
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You are Aware less then 25% owned slaves,

Have you seen the crime rate?

Have you seen the taxes?

Have you seen the failing schools?

Are you seeing the businesses leaving?

Are you seeing law abiding being target for no reason?

California is not doing fine!

So if things change that good? even if said change makes things worst, that still a good thing?

Stop Romanticizing the Greatness of America? Stop denigrating America its greatness, its culture, its heritage and the freedoms and liberties that made it great.!

You leave, there are many other nations with have your views, and your failed ideas..

YOU LEAVE!
TBF, there are states and cities with higher crime rates than California that aren't bashed as much as California. To name one of those states, Georgia makes California look safe yet I've never heard a rightie bash Georgia. Texans love to bash California, but they forget that Houston and Dallas have higher crime rates than any California cities except Oakland.
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Old 09-16-2013, 12:22 AM
 
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Ay Dios Mio !
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Old 09-16-2013, 02:04 AM
 
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I still don't see how this is a bad thing. It's not a big deal, geez.
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Old 09-16-2013, 08:00 AM
 
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Do you know anything about that portion of history? Quick history lesson: Revolt was initially proclaimed in Sonoma on June 14, 1846, before news of the outbreak of the Mexican–American War had reached the area. Although participants declared independence from Mexico, they failed to form a functional provisional government. Thus, the "republic" never exercised any real authority, and it was never recognized by any nation. In fact, most of Alta California knew nothing about it. The revolt lasted 26 days, at the end of which the U.S. Army arrived to occupy the area. Once the leaders of the revolt knew the United States was claiming the area, they disbanded their "republic" and supported the U.S. federal effort to annex Alta California.

Now, what was assumed much? If you don't understand the time frame, don't make things up.
Me thinks it is you that knows little about the History of California, let me give a quick lesson which by the way took less than five minutes to pull up, which by the way proves your last statement in bold is pure fantasy:

"After the United States declared war on Mexico on May 13, 1846, it took almost two months (mid-July 1846) for definite word of war to get to California. Upon hearing rumors of war, U.S. consul Thomas O. Larkin, stationed in Monterey, tried to keep peace between the Americans and the small Mexican military garrison commanded by José Castro. American army captain John C. Frémont, with about 60 well-armed men, had entered California in December 1845 and was making a slow march to Oregon when they received word that war between Mexico and the U.S. was imminent.
On June 15, 1846, some 30 non-Mexican settlers, mostly Americans, staged a revolt, seized the small Mexican garrison in Sonoma, and captured Mexican general Mariano Vallejo. They raised the "Bear Flag" of the California Republic over Sonoma. The so-called California Republic lasted one week until the U.S. Army, led by Frémont, took over on June 23. The California state flag today is based on this original Bear Flag, and continues to contain the words "California Republic."
Commodore John Drake Sloat, on hearing of imminent war and the revolt in Sonoma, ordered his naval forces to occupy Yerba Buena (present San Francisco) on July 7 and raise the American flag. On July 15, Sloat transferred his command to Commodore Robert F. Stockton, a much more aggressive leader. Commodore Stockton put Frémont's forces under his command. Frémont's "California Battalion" swelled to about 160 men with the addition of volunteers recruited from American settlements, and on July 19 he entered Monterey in a joint operation with some of Stockton's sailors and marines. The official word had been received — the Mexican–American War was on. The American forces easily took over the north of California; within days, they controlled Monterey, San Francisco, Sonoma, and Sutter's Fort.
In Southern California, Mexican General José Castro and Governor Pío Pico fled from Los Angeles. When Stockton's forces entered Los Angeles unresisted on August 13, 1846, the nearly bloodless conquest of California seemed complete. Stockton, however, left too small a force (36 men) in Los Angeles, and the Californios, acting on their own and without help from Mexico, led by José María Flores, forced the small American garrison to retire in late September.
Two hundred reinforcements were sent by Stockton, led by US Navy Capt William Mervine, but were repulsed in the Battle of Dominguez Rancho, October 7–9, 1846, near San Pedro, where 14 US Marines were killed. Meanwhile, General Kearny with a much reduced squadron of 100 dragoons finally reached California after a grueling march across New Mexico, Arizona, and the Sonoran Desert. On December 6, 1846, they fought the Battle of San Pasqual near San Diego, where 18 of Kearny's troop were killed—the largest number of American casualties lost in battle in California.
Stockton rescued Kearny's surrounded forces and, with their combined force, they moved northward from San Diego. Entering the present-day Orange County area on January 8, they linked up with Frémont's northern force. With the combined American forces totaling 660 troops, they fought the Californios in the Battle of Rio San Gabriel. The next day, January 9, 1847, they fought the Battle of La Mesa. Three days later, on January 12, 1847, the last significant body of Californios surrendered to American forces. That marked the end of the war in California. On January 13, 1847, the Treaty of Cahuenga was signed.
On January 28, 1847, Army lieutenant William Tecumseh Sherman and his army unit arrived in Monterey, as American forces continued to stream into California. On March 15, 1847, Col. Jonathan D. Stevenson's Seventh Regiment of New York Volunteers of about 900 men began to arrive. All of these troops were still in California when gold was discovered in January 1848.
The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, signed on February 2, 1848, marked the end of the Mexican–American War. In that treaty, the United States agreed to pay Mexico $18,250,000; Mexico formally ceded California (and other northern territories) to the United States; and the first international boundary was drawn between the U.S. and Mexico by treaty. The previous boundary had been negotiated in 1819 between Spain and the United States in the Adams–Onís Treaty, which established the present border between California and Oregon. San Diego Bay is one of the few natural harbors in California south of San Francisco, and to claim this strategic asset the southern border was slanted to include the entire bay in California.
History of California before 1900 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There, consider yourself better informed. As I said, California become part of the US at the point of a gun.
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Old 09-16-2013, 12:30 PM
 
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LMFAO

Romanticizing history? Utter nonsense? SMFH

Actually the founders believed that slaves were property.

There is a big difference in our beliefs of an evolving Constitutional Republic vs devolving into a Socialistic/Communistic type of Dictatorship. Our Republic has evolved for the better due to our own insight and from watching other forms of Government and not wanting to emulate them. These new immigrants from Latin America would push us more to their political ideology, Socialistic and Communistic, this to the happiness of Progressives.
That's complete bull, and you know it.

Just because they won't join the political party that YOU demand they join and vote the way YOU demand they vote doesn't mean they want to turn this country into the Soviet Union circa 1950.

As a matter of fact, some of the earliest communist movements in this country were started by descendants of Europeans, not Latinos.
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Old 09-17-2013, 03:09 AM
 
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That's complete bull, and you know it.

Just because they won't join the political party that YOU demand they join and vote the way YOU demand they vote doesn't mean they want to turn this country into the Soviet Union circa 1950.

As a matter of fact, some of the earliest communist movements in this country were started by descendants of Europeans, not Latinos.
thank you for telling it like it is!
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Old 09-17-2013, 03:16 AM
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...well it should be easier to implement the NAU before too long.
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Old 09-17-2013, 07:27 AM
 
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TBF, there are states and cities with higher crime rates than California that aren't bashed as much as California. To name one of those states, Georgia makes California look safe yet I've never heard a rightie bash Georgia. Texans love to bash California, but they forget that Houston and Dallas have higher crime rates than any California cities except Oakland.
California is targeted largely due to their fiscal policies.

They have one of the higher tax burdens, but their props limit property taxes to pennies on the dollars for the richest citizens.

Thier pension funds are over 1/2 TRILLION underestimated in their liabilities.

They are basically drowning in social programs if you look at their budget shifts over the last 20-30 years.

<shrug>

They are being inundated with people that create a larger and larger drain on their social programs and are unwilling to address it other than to raise taxes. That's California's decision.

Frankly, they should probably jack their sales taxes higher as their shadow economy of unreported income has to be enormous at this point.
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Old 09-17-2013, 01:36 PM
 
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How's about going food shopping where all the packages have the Spanish side facing the aisle.
If they change the packaging colors and pictures I'm sunk.
Been there, done that - I live in S. Florida...
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Old 09-17-2013, 01:41 PM
 
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California is targeted largely due to their fiscal policies.

They have one of the higher tax burdens, but their props limit property taxes to pennies on the dollars for the richest citizens.

Thier pension funds are over 1/2 TRILLION underestimated in their liabilities.

They are basically drowning in social programs if you look at their budget shifts over the last 20-30 years.

<shrug>

They are being inundated with people that create a larger and larger drain on their social programs and are unwilling to address it other than to raise taxes. That's California's decision.

Frankly, they should probably jack their sales taxes higher as their shadow economy of unreported income has to be enormous at this point.
Not true. Read Rolling Stone issue 1191. There's a story called "Jerry Brown's Tough Love Miracle" about California turning around it's fiscal mess and moreover, they're on schedule for a surplus. He's even found a way to raise revenues despite a state laws that make it nearly impossible to do.

The state is doing pretty well. Actually, i'll attempt to link it for you:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...52164340,d.b2I
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