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Old 01-27-2013, 11:46 PM
 
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If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight? | The D.C. Clothesline

Great article.
For you gun grabbers here ya go.
The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. -Thomas Jefferson


Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good. -George Washington


The Constitution shall never be construed….to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. -Samuel Adams








And Washington never said that quote
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:51 PM
 
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As for the Sam Adams quote it came from "Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts" Pages 86 and 87. There is no indication that it was Sam Adams who said or proposed it. It only says that a motion was made and seconded and the motion, or the quote in context, reads

"And that the said Counstitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience ; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms ; or to raise standing armies, unless when necessary for the defence of the United States, or of some one or more of them ; or to prevent the people from petitioning, in a peacable and orderly manner, the federal legislature, for a redress of grievances ; or to subject the people to unreasonable searches and seizures of their persons, papers or possessions"

Debates and proceedings in the Convention of the commonwealth of Massachusetts, held in the year 1788, and which finally ratified the Constitution of the United States
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:54 PM
 
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Somebody beat me to it
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Old 01-28-2013, 01:38 PM
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/28/op...nted=all&_r=1&
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Old 01-28-2013, 01:47 PM
 
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1) Thomas Jefferson never said that . . .God, we making up quotes now? Strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms (Quotation) « Thomas Jefferson


2) Here is a bigger (and real) quote for you

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.





I'm not sure what you don't get. If you use the guns versus the American government (even if you find it now Tyrannical) you are treasonous and can be put to death. The 2nd amendment can't protect you.



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Originally Posted by RebelYell14 View Post
If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight? | The D.C. Clothesline

Great article.
For you gun grabbers here ya go.
The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. -Thomas Jefferson


Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good. -George Washington


The Constitution shall never be construed….to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. -Samuel Adams








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Old 01-28-2013, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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1) Thomas Jefferson never said that . . .God, we making up quotes now? Strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms (Quotation) « Thomas Jefferson


2) Here is a bigger (and real) quote for you

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.





I'm not sure what you don't get. If you use the guns versus the American government (even if you find it now Tyrannical) you are treasonous and can be put to death. The 2nd amendment can't protect you.
Well my favorite quote is
"Don't believe everything you read on the internet."
-Abraham Lincoln
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Old 01-28-2013, 01:51 PM
 
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civil disobediance is the only way. and i fear that very soon everyone that does not comply is going to be made a felon.
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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civil disobediance is the only way. and i fear that very soon everyone that does not comply is going to be made a felon.
You guys gonna start your own Occupy movement or something?
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Orlando
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If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight? | The D.C. Clothesline
The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. -Thomas Jefferson

Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good. -George Washington

The Constitution shall never be construed….to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. -Samuel Adams

Note that these writings didn't make it to the Constitution. So the purpose of arms dealt with a "well regulated" militia.

So can someone defend themselves for having them taken? well it didn't work out so well for Ruby Ridge or David Koresch- and he was the second coming.

The real question is will you convince millions of other citizens to stand against the government? Many regularly vote or have served in the military and you would need them to stand and say they were against the government... Do you really think that will happen? if not you will be a forgotten body count.
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