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Old 02-01-2013, 01:38 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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The average hourly non-farm wage in the United States is $23.78. That equals to $49,462 per individual OR $98,924 per two worker household ANNUALLY!

There is absolutely NO REASON why the average worker in the United States cannot live off of these wages.

In fact, with these wages, and when personal responsibility is factored into the equation, there's absolutely no reason for single-parent families, children born out of wedlock, Medicaid, WIC, Welfare, or Food Stamps.

The AVERAGE worker makes $49,462 per year and yet we have liberals belly-aching over minimum wage and people barely able to make ends meet???? Who's fault is that?!

Get off your lazy asses and DO SOMETHING with your unproductive lives! There's money to be made out there!


Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National) Home Page
Ah, how simple the world is when you're a conservative. It really helps with the formulation of stereotypes.

Please revisit the difference between mean, median, and mode.

The mean wage is not at all necessarily representative of the frequency distribution of wages. It doesn't mean that most people earn that wage or that the amount of people earning more or less than that is roughly even. If you have 90% of people making a really low wage and then 10% with really high earnings, then your "average wage" is actually being enjoyed by a pretty small number of people. And that's what is happening in America. There is a mountain of evidence about how income has increasingly become skewed towards the top few richest percent while middle and lower classes have been squeezed as formerly well-paying manufacturing jobs have moved overseas. You really think the average Walmart / McDonald's / whatever retail store person is making $23.78 an hour? Get real.
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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you really think the average walmart / mcdonald's / whatever retail store person is making $23.78 an hour? Get real.
do you really think the average worker, works at those places

the average woker is mechanics making nearly 30/hr...teachers making 60k a yr...garbagemen making 40/hr

the AVERAGE truck mechanic in the UNITED STATES...makes 52k a year

the average national auto dealership mechanic, USA wide. makes 30/hr

NYC bus mechanics make 45/hr

average nassau county police officer makes 150k

municiple (nyc) garbageman.....75k a year

Neonatal Nurse, Average national Salary: $74,000

The average national salary for a typical Librarian in the United States is $57,831.

average national salary for a cemetary worker (grave digger)....49k

average national salary of a personal trainer....32/hr

average national salary for a massage therapist.....48k





the average worker is not a walmart peeon
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:49 PM
 
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the average woker is mechanics making nearly 30/hr...teachers making 60k a yr...garbagemen making 40/hr
Source
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:52 PM
 
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Nothing in any of my post even alludes to "median" wages. Is there some particular reason that you're trying to construe my term "average worker" as something outside of the scope of the post, which is that of the AVERAGE hourly wage? If I wanted to talk about "median" wages, I would have done so.
Perhaps you could direct us to where you've discovered what kind of AVERAGE the labor board is using in their statistics. Is it a median average? A mean average? You see, statistically speaking, "average" is vague, because there are several different ways to determine an "average" and how you determine it makes a difference.
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:53 PM
 
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do you really think the average worker, works at those places

the average woker is mechanics making nearly 30/hr...teachers making 60k a yr...garbagemen making 40/hr

the AVERAGE truck mechanic in the UNITED STATES...makes 52k a year

the average national auto dealership mechanic, USA wide. makes 30/hr

NYC bus mechanics make 45/hr

average nassau county police officer makes 150k

municiple (nyc) garbageman.....75k a year

Neonatal Nurse, Average national Salary: $74,000

The average national salary for a typical Librarian in the United States is $57,831.

average national salary for a cemetary worker (grave digger)....49k

average national salary of a personal trainer....32/hr

average national salary for a massage therapist.....48k





the average worker is not a walmart peeon
Yep and let's not forget about the tech jobs which are plentiful. They pay anywhere from the median to double that.
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:54 PM
 
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Ah, how simple the world is when you're a conservative. It really helps with the formulation of stereotypes.

Please revisit the difference between mean, median, and mode.

The mean wage is not at all necessarily representative of the frequency distribution of wages. It doesn't mean that most people earn that wage or that the amount of people earning more or less than that is roughly even. If you have 90% of people making a really low wage and then 10% with really high earnings, then your "average wage" is actually being enjoyed by a pretty small number of people. And that's what is happening in America. There is a mountain of evidence about how income has increasingly become skewed towards the top few richest percent while middle and lower classes have been squeezed as formerly well-paying manufacturing jobs have moved overseas. You really think the average Walmart / McDonald's / whatever retail store person is making $23.78 an hour? Get real.
Who said anything about a 50/50 distribution of wages? Certainly not me. In fact, the definition of "average" completely negates your 50/50 assertion. So i'm not really sure what your're implying here.

Further, the "average wage data" actually includes Walmart/McDonalds.....so again....what's your point? I can't find one anywhere.
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:58 PM
 
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False. The failure rate is measured as the expected number of pregnancies per year per 100 women using a particular method of contraception.

How do you not know that?
I do know that. Did you read what you just wrote? The failure rate is the EXPECTED number of pregnancies. Contraception is expected to fail a certain percentage of the time. It's effective 97-99% of the time. EVERY time you have sex, you run the risk of your contraception failing. EVERY time.

Just like EVERY time you play the lottery you hope to win. Some of your SELF-MADE millionaires may be lottery winners.

The difference is, the odds are better that your contraception fails than you win the lottery.
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Old 02-01-2013, 02:01 PM
 
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Yep and let's not forget about the tech jobs which are plentiful. They pay anywhere from the median to double that.
Sarcasm? Tech jobs have actually been leaving the USA. That's my brother's field, he went from working for himself to working for a company to project work to helping set up the processes for India and Russia to do the work.
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Old 02-01-2013, 02:03 PM
 
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Sarcasm? Tech jobs have actually been leaving the USA. That's my brother's field, he went from working for himself to working for a company to project work to helping set up the processes for India and Russia to do the work.
He's not resourceful enough. Go look at Monster, career builder, dice.com There are MANY, MANY good paying jobs out there. Someone has to be onsite to support stuff. What. do you and your brother think that computers and datacenters don't exist in US companies and they all reside overseas or in the "cloud" somewhere?
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Old 02-01-2013, 02:06 PM
 
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research it your self...are you that lazy???
The person making the claim should provide the source

I mean it's common sense on so many levels,
One level being, unless you have this stuff memorized, you have the link open as your posting.
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