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Specifically, why should we take everything they thought and wrote down with holy reverence, as opposed to learning from them in the process of making a government made for today?
Over the last 237 years, they've been elevated to a level somewhere between Ronald Reagan and Jesus Christ. I refuse to believe that the best and only solutions to the problem of government were made by a group of enlightened super-men from a past age of civilization. Neither they nor their contemporaries thought nearly as high of their ideas as many people do today.
Specifically, why should we take everything they thought and wrote down with holy reverence, as opposed to learning from them in the process of making a government made for today?
Over the last 237 years, they've been elevated to a level somewhere between Ronald Reagan and Jesus Christ. I refuse to believe that the best and only solutions to the problem of government were made by a group of enlightened super-men from a past age of civilization. Neither they nor their contemporaries thought nearly as high of their ideas as many people do today.
If you don't like the constitution, there is a process in place to amend it.
Specifically, why should we take everything they thought and wrote down with holy reverence, as opposed to learning from them in the process of making a government made for today?
Over the last 237 years, they've been elevated to a level somewhere between Ronald Reagan and Jesus Christ. I refuse to believe that the best and only solutions to the problem of government were made by a group of enlightened super-men from a past age of civilization. Neither they nor their contemporaries thought nearly as high of their ideas as many people do today.
I cannot help but laugh whenever someone resurrects the "founding fathers" for some improbable thesis in a vain effort to rewrite our history. Our so-called founding fathers, when viewed candidly, were colorful enough characters without our adding varnish to them. Franklin, who is considered to be the "First American" came close to forsaking hearth and home for England. Even Jefferson, with all his slaves (he owned over 600 during his lifetime), was hardly the liberal reformer we would have him be; and despite the efforts of modern-day Christians to convert him, in truth he was a deist, who had no qualms about revising the Bible to suit himself. See The Jefferson Bible: The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth (1820). The "times that try men’s souls" bring out firebrands like Thomas Paine; who, if he was not a founding father, was certainly the midwife of American independence, and abetter to the overthrow of the French monarchy as well. Like Jesus, we would not be able to stand him. (Indeed, Paine was such a pain in the arse that he managed to make himself persona non grata in England, America and France!) Our perception of these characters is clouded by the dark glass of history, and distorted by attributions that represent so much wishful (rather than critical) thinking. It is like crediting Rembrandt’s paintings with depth of hue when their darkness is due to his having used cheap paint.
Specifically, why should we take everything they thought and wrote down with holy reverence, as opposed to learning from them in the process of making a government made for today?
Over the last 237 years, they've been elevated to a level somewhere between Ronald Reagan and Jesus Christ. I refuse to believe that the best and only solutions to the problem of government were made by a group of enlightened super-men from a past age of civilization. Neither they nor their contemporaries thought nearly as high of their ideas as many people do today.
It has worked well since it was written.... been fixed when needed (see repeal of prohibition and outlawing slavery)
The reason why the country has been in the crapper since the turn of the century is because the last several presidents have found ways around the constitution
Would love to know SPECIFICALLY.... you would say we should change about the constitution......
It has worked well since it was written.... been fixed when needed (see repeal of prohibition and outlawing slavery)
The reason why the country has been in the crapper since the turn of the century is because the last several presidents have found ways around the constitution
Would love to know SPECIFICALLY.... you would say we should change about the constitution......
We can always add more recognized rights to it and tweak the 14th amendment to get rid of anchor babies.
The reason why the country has been in the crapper since the turn of the century is because the last several presidents have found ways around the constitution
Little do you realize that you're in complete agreement with me! Allow me to restate this: "Our government, as formed by the Constitution, can't do enough to stop presidents from subverting the Constitution."
I don't really agree with your point here, but we BOTH agree that our government is working as well as a rusty Geo. Can something like this be fixed to some degree by fixing the Constitution or starting over with a new one? I don't know, but I think it's entirely worth considering.
Little do you realize that you're in complete agreement with me! Allow me to restate this: "Our government, as formed by the Constitution, can't do enough to stop presidents from subverting the Constitution."
I don't agree with your point here, but we BOTH agree that our government is working as well as a rusty Geo.
Umm, I don't know. Why is the "emancipation proclamation" good?
Our founding fathers set fourth a foundation of ageless principles by which we were to govern this country, to be free of oppressive rule and allow each American their own individuality and the ability to live a free, happy, and prosperous life.
If that is something a person is having trouble understanding, then that person really should walk in the shoes of a Venezuelan, or a Sudanese, or an Iranian, or a Syrian, even a Russian.
Umm, I don't know. Why is the "emancipation proclamation" good?
Our founding fathers set fourth a foundation of ageless principles by which we were to govern this country, to be free of oppressive rule and allow each American their own individuality and the ability to live a free, happy, and prosperous life.
If that is something a person is having trouble understanding, then that person really should walk in the shoes of a Venezuelan, or a Sudanese, or an Iranian, or a Syrian, even a Russian.
They don't own these principles, and they never did. The ideals of freedom belong to all of us now. So why can't we make them happen in our own way?
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