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Old 02-13-2013, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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These young voters are being taught that government is there to support them when they make ridiculously stupid decisions.

Supporting people and subsidizing their lifestyle is not a function of government.

People should have to live with their choices. Too many safety nets that permit people to do stupid things without consequences.

Idiots who waste their life smoking dope and being lazy should not have the same opportunities as those of us that obey the laws and do the right thing.
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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People should have to live with their choices. Too many safety nets that permit people to do stupid things without consequences.

Idiots who waste their life smoking dope and being lazy should not have the same opportunities as those of us that obey the laws and do the right thing.
You also against safety nets that allow the wealthy to screw with the economy and not have to pay for their damages?
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:13 AM
 
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Idiots who waste their life smoking dope and being lazy should not have the same opportunities as those of us that obey the laws and do the right thing.
I hope that, when you're not drinking Spaten, you're a GOP strategist, because as a slogan for winning back the youth vote, that's simply brilliant. Midterm elections: sorted.
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:15 AM
 
Location: San Diego California
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/11/us...anted=all&_r=0



My thought is that the Great Depression had a similar deep impact on young people then, too. The article talks about this attitude becoming permanent, and by analogy with the Depression generation it wouldn't be too surprising if it does. By the late 1950s, the laissez-faire policies of Coolidge and Hoover seemed hopelessly outdated, and following this generational logic, we might predict something similar by the 2030s.

In which case, the ethnic demographic changes in American politics, which we know are probably going to shift the political landscape in coming decades, are likely to be magnified by an ideological shift born out of a generation's youthful experience.
Why wouldn’t they? The government has raised them, it is their parent.
It has told them what and how to think sense preschool. It has implemented a propaganda campaign that would make Stalin and Mao green with envy.
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:23 AM
 
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Why wouldn’t they? The government has raised them, it is their parent.
It has told them what and how to think sense preschool. It has implemented a propaganda campaign that would make Stalin and Mao green with envy.
Another great point. RNC, are you listening? Go into next year's campaigns with this simple message:

"Now look here, young man, you're the captive of a Marxist nanny state. What you must do is pull yourself up by your bootstraps. And we don't want to hear any of that sissy whining!"

That will do the trick, by gum. But if you're right, and the gummint really has eaten their brains, let's hope that at the very least they have learned how to spell "since" since preschool.
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Old 02-13-2013, 12:04 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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Another great point. RNC, are you listening? Go into next year's campaigns with this simple message:

"Now look here, young man, you're the captive of a Marxist nanny state. What you must do is pull yourself up by your bootstraps. And we don't want to hear any of that sissy whining!"

That will do the trick, by gum. But if you're right, and the gummint really has eaten their brains, let's hope that at the very least they have learned how to spell "since" since preschool.
RNC, DNC it's all the same. They are both tools of the elitists who are bankrupting and morally corrupting the country in order to replace self-determination with corporate rule. Only the most ignorant would possibly believe either party serves the interest of the American people.
So put on your politically correct cheerleading outfit and kiss the feet of your masters and the buffoons in Washington who will sell your future and the future of your children down the road, because the ignorant and the cowardly were never meant to rule themselves anyway.
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Old 02-13-2013, 12:16 PM
 
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I object to your characterization that the idea that a government that provides for its people so that they have better lives, is an immature youthful view.

I grew up in an America where worker mostly had employer provided pensions and health care -- an America where working Americans saw unprecedented economic gains; where government generously supported higher education and the arts; income inequality was far lower than what preceded or what we have now, and where taxes on wealth were much higher.

As Paul Krugman writes:


It isn't a choice between having a government that does what we want or "running hundreds of billions of dollars in deficits forever." My generation, the America that I grew up in, made the choice that providing public services and benefits outweighed coddling the rich with low taxes. That was the mature choice.

Well you can object to it if you want, but it's the truth. It has a fundamental flaw illustrated by Margaret Thatcher's remark that the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples' money to spend. While liberals like to blame Bush's wars for everything, that's just rhetoric. The fact is that we're in the worst economic shape that we've ever been in and it is due to decades of policy. Our welfare state does not work. Simple as that. We've spent more than we've taken in every year for decades. That is not sustainable. The fact that has been working for the last couple generations is only due to the powerful place we started out from. We're on a downward slide, it's just that the slide is so big that we've been able to slide for a long while now without feeling the effects. But eventually we will. It's unavoidable. Eventually the interest on the debt will climb to a point where we simply cannot afford it no matter how much you tax the rich.
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Old 02-13-2013, 12:18 PM
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/11/us...anted=all&_r=0



My thought is that the Great Depression had a similar deep impact on young people then, too. The article talks about this attitude becoming permanent, and by analogy with the Depression generation it wouldn't be too surprising if it does. By the late 1950s, the laissez-faire policies of Coolidge and Hoover seemed hopelessly outdated, and following this generational logic, we might predict something similar by the 2030s.

In which case, the ethnic demographic changes in American politics, which we know are probably going to shift the political landscape in coming decades, are likely to be magnified by an ideological shift born out of a generation's youthful experience.

"When you rob Peter to pay Paul and David, Paul and David will vote for you every time!"
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Old 02-13-2013, 12:28 PM
 
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So the righties are going to call this choosing da guberment ? Not fleeing from the crony, trillion dollar bailout meat grinder for the rest of ya "capitalists"?

How do you "compete" after a class of criminals is given trillions?
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Old 02-13-2013, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Why can't the be like we were, perfect in every way?
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