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Old 02-21-2013, 12:51 PM
 
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Forget about opinions, let's look at facts shall we? Did both the Dems and Repubicans vote for this? Or was it just the Dems? I forgot.
Yup, they all voted for it. Because the president threatened to veto anything but the sequestration option. But, yea, it was the GOP threatening to shut down the government....
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Old 02-21-2013, 12:53 PM
 
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Thanks to Republican unwillingness to compromise on deficit reduction legislation, the looming budget sequester has basically turned into a blame game. And according to a new poll from USA Today and Pew, they are losing:
More proof of the unbelievable stupidity of the majority of Americans. Lots of deficit reduction being talked about on the right. The only thing being talked about on the left are MORE taxes.

Name ONE thing that the Dems have, in legislation, that reduces the deficit.
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Old 02-21-2013, 01:13 PM
 
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0bama is only in favor of spending cuts in the tax code. you see him kicking and screaming over $80 billion, which is only 2% of the $3.5 trillion budget.

But actually, it's not $85 billion this year.

41 Billion Reasons Not to Sweat the Sequester: 2013 Cuts Are $44 Billion, Not $85 Billion. - Hit & Run : Reason.com

The first thing to note is that the $85 billion figure that gets bandied about overstates this year's cuts due to sequestration by about $40 billion. According to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) in its February 2013 report on the budget outlook, "Discretionary outlays will drop by $35 billion and mandatory spending will be reduced by $9 billion this year as a direct result of those procedures [sequestration]; additional reductions in outlays attributable to the cuts in 2013 funding will occur in later years.
I was told this is "Obama's sequester." The sequester cuts spending. Obama supports cutting spending.
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Old 02-21-2013, 01:24 PM
 
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I was told this is "Obama's sequester." The sequester cuts spending. Obama supports cutting spending.
He owns the sequester, because it was his idea. But he does not support cutting spending. There's a difference. Do you recognize it?
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Old 02-21-2013, 01:25 PM
 
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He owns the sequester, because it was his idea. But he does not support cutting spending. There's a difference. Do you recognize it?
Does the sequester cut spending?
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Old 02-21-2013, 01:26 PM
 
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Does the sequester cut spending?
Are you being simple-minded, obtuse, or just don't understand? I'm genuinely curious.
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Old 02-21-2013, 01:31 PM
 
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Are you being simple-minded, obtuse, or just don't understand? I'm genuinely curious.
Does the sequester cut spending?
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Old 02-21-2013, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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He owns the sequester, because it was his idea. But he does not support cutting spending. There's a difference. Do you recognize it?
No, I for one, do not... care to spell it out? Bottom line, the sequester does cut spending and it isn't even close to being a significant cut at that... so... that's why it SHOULD happen. What's your problem with it? It cuts ALL the things that need cutting... ... including defense... is that your beef? Did you not think defense needed some cutting? Too bad. It did. And this isn't any cut. 10%??? Not even close to being significant. Democrats have been cutting since Obama has been in office while Republicans have stonewalled any tax increases. So... fine... we slash and burn the budget. You should be thrilled to pieces. And you are. But you want to make sure Obama gets his share of blame. When the sequester proves to be the best thing ever Republicans will want to figure a way to take credit for it.

H
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Old 02-21-2013, 01:40 PM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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It's his. He OWNS it. Nothing he can say or do will ever change the fact that the negative effects of the sequestration across all aspects of the American fiscal landscape will in fact be the fault of Barack Hussein Obama, who proposed the sequestration in the first place.
You're too late, polls show the majority of the public has already pinned this one on the GOP. Of course you're always welcome to do the standard winger response of referring to Americans who disagree with you as ''stupid''... being as how that's always worked so well for the GOP in the past!
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Old 02-21-2013, 01:46 PM
 
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No, I for one, do not... care to spell it out? Bottom line, the sequester does cut spending and it isn't even close to being a significant cut at that... so... that's why it SHOULD happen. What's your problem with it? It cuts ALL the things that need cutting... ... including defense... is that your beef? Did you not think defense needed some cutting? Too bad. It did. And this isn't any cut. 10%??? Not even close to being significant. Democrats have been cutting since Obama has been in office while Republicans have stonewalled any tax increases. So... fine... we slash and burn the budget. You should be thrilled to pieces. And you are. But you want to make sure Obama gets his share of blame. When the sequester proves to be the best thing ever Republicans will want to figure a way to take credit for it.

H
He proposed the sequester in a fit of amateurish leadership thinking he could goad senior GOP lawmakers into doing something against their will (ie. debt ceiling increase and tax increases). Because he's an amatuer lightweight, he didn't actually consider the fact that his proposition would actually come to fruition. He vastly underestimated the will of elected officials' to wholly and completely stand their ground and not budge.

Barack Obama does not support spending cuts. He's said this a millions times. But this is what happens when you put a lightweight who has led from the back of the pack his entire life at the helm at something as serious as the United States debt/deficit/budget conversation.

Do you honestly think that Lyndon B. Johnson would have been thrown around like a rag doll like Barack H. Obama has? Absolutely not. That's because LBJ was a master compromiser. BHO is not. Far from it.
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