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Old 02-21-2013, 08:17 AM
 
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Originally Posted by TheHurricaneKid View Post
Americans could do the same, if they weren't focused on such a consumerism heavy life-style.


Life is about spending time with family, not spending time buying stuff.
I hate wasteful spending but I don't want to live like the French.

It's up to each individual to determine what life is about for ourselves. I know people who live for the next brand name purchase to show off - usually some European brand, sometimes French. LOL.
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:25 AM
 
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Oh I absolutely agree it's up to the individual to determine what life is about. But I can't know what I want if I am ignorant of some of the options. That's why I want to know what is meant by the French way vs. the American way. And how people define empty consumerism.

For me I need to travel, I need to live in a rural area, and I need a car to be happy. I don't need to travel to exotic or even foreign locals, I don't need to live in a mansion in a rural area, and I drive a clunker but its paid for. Can my desires be coupled with the French way or are they competing desires? I need more specific details to really get the full picture.
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Just like the article be referenced was vague on details. The potential boss's opinion is the workers are too lazy and not able to generate a large enough profit for him. That's a typical boss's attitude. The workers opinion is the boss is too demanding and greedy. That's a typical worker's attitude. Without more details its hard to tell where the truth lies.
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Old 02-21-2013, 04:44 PM
 
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the boss of goodyear wants to close the factory, so the production is slowing down, the workers can't work 8 h , because tires will not be sold. that's why they don't work 8h a day

french people think differently than american people, we think about life, health, retirement and vacation, not working all day long and going sick.
the law in france is 35h a week.
we have vacations, health insurance, retirement, and the best europe factory is in france at Foix small city in the south.
i'm french, of course evrything is not perfect, but my wife who is a US girl, when she looked at the differences, told me, why "are we stupid and doing this way"
so i answered, because your brain are just thinking about money
that's it
Many Americans will not admit watching their kids grow up from afar. The many late nights,weekends and overtime spent away while year after year those kids grew from children to teenagers and then adults. In my case they are adult and now I cant say lets go a drive on Saturday or to the park. Those years I gave to my job.

I bet we could do better but many here feel that family time and quality of life is rubbish.
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Old 02-21-2013, 06:51 PM
 
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the boss of goodyear wants to close the factory, so the production is slowing down, the workers can't work 8 h , because tires will not be sold. that's why they don't work 8h a day
It cannot be so. If production is slowed down, its a planned step by the management. They may cut back working hours, or working days. But there can be no way workers start their workday at the usual time and just sit idle.

That siad, even the tycoon admitted French workers work (albeit only 3 hours)! Not everything is black...

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Old 02-21-2013, 07:01 PM
 
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i can't really blame them, they don't get paid enough to care. obviously their boss doesn't care enough about you, the customer, to fire them.

and obviously you don't care, either, if you've visited these places enough to notice a pattern.

What does the pay have anything to do with the level of service the employee provides?

You knew the pay going in, and knew what your duties will be, if you have a problem with either of those, you shouldn't have accepted the job.

Don't do the job I hired you for, out the door you would go, I have a stack of persons waiting to replace you.
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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That is one good story and I bet the Frenchies really do work like that. The nation is governed by socialists and the country is full of communists so surely normal union behavior would be to work at least 3 hours each day.
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I don't know about this company but I do know that a report came out that showed American workers were treated much worse than workers in Europe.
Why, yes, they may be required to work full 8 hour shifts and the Frenchies sit around and play games 3 hours each day, and then work 3 hours. Of course, when the union pays off the socialist government the workers don't have to work so many hours. Surely ethics have no place among French laborers.
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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that's just 'talk', the French economy would be a total zero, non existing, if they only worked three hours a day...they have a different work ethic, they don't believe in working 12 hour days but they enjoy life more. What can be wrong with that? They work to live not the other way round, like they do in some countries. I used to work doubles and so on in the US, here they have the 38 hour week and at least you have time to enjoy life when you're not just property of the boss. In France they work 36 hour weeks and some people do work a lot more than that. You can't compare Disney with regular French workplaces. Disney is US style and they expect you work like a dog...and guess who gets rich? Not you!
Let me offer you these words from the earliest part of that link since you obviously don't read links at all.

He told Mr Montebourg: 'I have visited the factory several times. The French workforce gets paid high wages but works only three hours.
'They get one hour for breaks and lunch, talk for three hours and work for three. I told the French union workers this to their faces. They told me that's the French way!


I hope you managed to read the last few words in that quoted part.
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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My blood began to boil when I saw the words, Mother JOnes, on your link. I looked but all the time I was thinking that sending us to CPUSA.org would have been about the same thing.
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:47 PM
 
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That's what I suspected...how else could they maintain a well-functioning affluent society given the low hours worked if they weren't productive and itelligent with their work time.

I think that we should look at what the French do to see if we can incorporate some of their ideas. Part of me loves the idea of the French lifestyle of shifting the work/life balance more towards life enjoyment instead of material accumulation with significant enjoymnet of great food and wine.
Do you and MTA really believe that Frenchmen can produce more in 3 hours than American workers can produce in 8 hours? You sure don't think much of American workers, do you?
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