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Old 03-01-2013, 09:44 PM
 
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You are wrong, this legislation has done a lot to reduce domestic violence.

Domestic violence has declined 64 % since the legislation was enacted.

As Obama stated, "Over more than two decades, this law has saved countless lives and transformed the way we treat victims of abuse."

Congress sends Violence Against Women Act to Obama
They just passed the damn thing. Pay attention.
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Old 03-01-2013, 09:48 PM
 
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There is no doubt that the decrease in levels of domestic violence is due to many factors. But if you go above and read about it, you will see that the Act made possible many changes in laws that enabled more effective prosecution of perpetrators. And provided support for victims, to enable them hopefully to get away from their abusers. All of those things had an effect.
And there is absolutely no reason to make it sex based. Though I am glad to know that there are pieces of work like you who must be happy that my brother was hospitalized by his then wife. Think that made the stats?

I suppose also that when women are beaten maimed and killed by other women, that's cool.

The Big Question: Why are girls committing more crime, and should we be alarmed? - Crime - UK - The Independent
A girl who received horrific injuries in a bomb blast in Harrow, north-west London, was said to have been living in fear of a girl gang that had already beaten her up and was trying to drive her out of the city. Last night, the explosion was blamed by police on a gas leak, but the episode inadvertently shone a spotlight on violence between young women.

Lets make it about identity. That's the important thing. A classless society was a mistake.

What about the poor and uneducated? Do they not commit more crime? Perhaps the death penalty for income under 40K makes sense?
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Old 03-01-2013, 09:48 PM
 
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They just passed the damn thing. Pay attention.
The Act first went through in the early 1990's. And it was just passed again. What are you talking about?
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Old 03-01-2013, 09:52 PM
 
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No, I'm sorry I may have missed your point.
Men commit more violent crime so we need special laws against them. Blacks and Latinos commit more crime so where is the protection against blacks and latinos act? Or should we call it the upper class whites and asians act?
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Old 03-01-2013, 10:00 PM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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People have been going on for pages as if every woman hit in a relationship is somehow innocent.

In reality, no men hits his woman for the hell of it. Or just about no man does.
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Old 03-01-2013, 10:07 PM
 
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You are wrong, this legislation has done a lot to reduce domestic violence.

Domestic violence has declined 64 % since the legislation was enacted.

As Obama stated, "Over more than two decades, this law has saved countless lives and transformed the way we treat victims of abuse."

Congress sends Violence Against Women Act to Obama
64% in two days??

What are you smoking??
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Old 03-01-2013, 10:08 PM
 
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And there is absolutely no reason to make it sex based. Though I am glad to know that there are pieces of work like you who must be happy that my brother was hospitalized by his then wife. Think that made the stats?

I suppose also that when women are beaten maimed and killed by other women, that's cool.

The Big Question: Why are girls committing more crime, and should we be alarmed? - Crime - UK - The Independent
A girl who received horrific injuries in a bomb blast in Harrow, north-west London, was said to have been living in fear of a girl gang that had already beaten her up and was trying to drive her out of the city. Last night, the explosion was blamed by police on a gas leak, but the episode inadvertently shone a spotlight on violence between young women.

Lets make it about identity. That's the important thing. A classless society was a mistake.

What about the poor and uneducated? Do they not commit more crime? Perhaps the death penalty for income under 40K makes sense?
I'm not sure of your point. Unfortunately women too can be violent. But men tend to perpetrate the majority of violent crime, like 90 % of homicides.

Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Homicide Trends in the United States, 1980-2008
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Old 03-01-2013, 10:36 PM
 
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You know, normally I would simply post a link as to what has been accomplished with the Violence Against Women Act, but given the ignorance level on here shown by those who criticizing it without knowing what it means, here's a list of its impact. Read it, and then try to say that the Act has accomplished nothing.:


VAWA has improved the criminal justice response to violence against women by:

VAWA has ensured that victims and their families have access to the services they need to achieve safety and rebuild their lives by:

Since the Act went into effect:

Fewer people are experiencing domestic violence.

 Between 1993 to 2010, the rate of intimate partner violence declined 67%;
 Between 1993 to 2007, the rate of intimate partner homicides of females
decreased 35% and the rate of intimate partner homicides of males
decreased 46%.


from: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa..._factsheet.pdf
When has the White House been honest? I would be skeptical of anything they say, especially when they don't provide a source.

From pages 18 & 19. Also, look at figure 26 on page 18. The rate of homicide for females actualy started trending upward in 1995.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

Among homicides with known victim/offender relationships

Nearly 1 out of 5 murder victims (16.3%) were killed by an intimate (table 9).

2 out of 5 female murder victims were killed by an intimate.

The percentage of males killed by an intimate fell from 10.4% in 1980 to 4.9% in 2008, a 53% drop. For females, the percentage killed by an intimate increased 5% across the same period.

The percentage of females killed by an intimate declined from 43% in 1980 to 38% in 1995. After 1995, that percentage gradually increased, reaching 45% in 2008.

Intimate homicides of white women fluctuated slightly between 1980 and 2008, averaging 44% of all white female homicides across that period.

Intimate homicides of black women decreased from 43% of all black female homicides in 1980 to a low of 33% in 1995. After 1995, that percentage increased to 43% of all homicides of black females in 2008


Interestingly enough it appears that the law may have had a perverse effect on DV situations.

Using the FBI Supplementary Homicide Reports, I find mandatory arrest laws actually increased intimate partner homicides. I hypothesize that this increase in homicides is due to decreased reporting."

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Does the Certainty of Arrest Reduce Domestic Violence? Evidence from Mandatory and Recommended Arrest Laws by Radha Iyengar :: SSRN
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Old 03-01-2013, 10:42 PM
 
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64% in two days??

What are you smoking??
It first went into effect in the early 1990's which it even mentions in the post you were responding to. What are you smoking?
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Old 03-01-2013, 10:50 PM
 
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So if you don't agree with this bill which addresses nothing to stop violence you are now cheering on women beaters in your eyes? I've seen a lot of BS on this forum but yours tops the cake.
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You are wrong, this legislation has done a lot to reduce domestic violence.

Domestic violence has declined 64 % since the legislation was enacted.

As Obama stated, "Over more than two decades, this law has saved countless lives and transformed the way we treat victims of abuse."

Congress sends Violence Against Women Act to Obama
I pointed out:

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ALL violent crime has declined in that time period. Homicide has dropped more than 50% since the AWB expired, but that doesn't mean that guns were a factor in the decline.
I can agree on the fact that changes were made to the law, many changes that duplicated current state laws and focused solely on prosecution. The act did not make DV victims safer and provide any kind of intervention.

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There is no doubt that the decrease in levels of domestic violence is due to many factors. But if you go above and read about it, you will see that the Act made possible many changes in laws that enabled more effective prosecution of perpetrators. And provided support for victims, to enable them hopefully to get away from their abusers. All of those things had an effect.
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