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Old 03-11-2013, 06:23 AM
 
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The US, over the last fifty years, has shifted to become more politically liberal. Those views felt to be "liberal" in the 1960s would fall, in many instances, under the banner of conservatives today. We have seen a gradual political shift toward liberal views.

If liberalism is so great, why has incorporations of its tenets resulted in a worse nation?

Daily Kos: The U.S. is becoming more liberal
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Earth
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Ummmmm, it's becoming more conservative.
Your side wants to regress to the time before Roe v. Wade for women and wants to stop all birth control.
Don't give me this becoming more liberal; it's more regressive.

The rest of the world laughs at us.
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:49 AM
 
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Liberalism = moral and social decay.
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:52 AM
 
Location: texas
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What is worse about America? Are you having a hard time?
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:53 AM
 
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It's because of them damned commies.


Serious answer.
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Liberalism = moral and social decay.
Oh yes, liberalism means a decline in Calvinist virtue, as David Brooks argues. Brooks says that something happened around 1980 that decayed American virtue. Really? What I can remember about the change around 1980 is the move towards Reaganism, which defunded things such as Revenue Sharing, that largely funded public schools in poor states. Reaganism also shifted the burden of funding the government down to the middle class and enriched the wealthy, increasing inequality.

Back when the country was truly liberal, like when Ike said:

"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."

we had growth in public building, such as the interstate highway system; we built new schools and universities, which made us a more educated and productive society.

It isn't about morals, it's about politics. A recent survey (pdf) on teen births, which is much higher in America than in other advanced countries, is due to inequality and lack of economic mobility.

Where are the highest teen births? In the bible-belt and areas with the most inequality. Those liberal states, like NY and MA have low teen births:


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Old 03-11-2013, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Because what had been "Liberal" policies of domestic control and international intervention have been taken over by the Neocons and used to ruin the country. Modern Liberals have become less entranced with foreign wars and domestic social control. The political names have switched positions to the confusion of nearly everyone.

I am a Liberal and support:

Greatly reducing overseas intervention and military spending
Removing government control of sexuality and recreational drug use
Controlling immigration to maintain domestic employment and wages
Supporting Union organizing of nearly everyone that works for a wage
Domestic investment in transportation, water supply and disposal, and other infrastructure
Enforcement of anti discrimination laws
Universal single payer health care
Progressive income tax that only applies to the people over the 95th percentile
And, unlike many vocal liberals, I support the universal access to firearms by the law abiding and sane
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Worse than when?
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:15 AM
 
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What is worse about America? Are you having a hard time?
I, personally, am fine. However, the balance of the nation has endured:

1. lower incomes
2. lower personal savings
3. declining middle class
4. record debt and deficits
5. declining level of education
6. lower IQs
7. massive trade deficits
8. declining manufacturing
9. record citizens on food stamps
10. single parent families


About the only thing that liberalism has produced is lower crime rate- by Roe vs. Wade.
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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1. lower incomes
2. lower personal savings
3. declining middle class
4. record debt and deficits
5. declining level of education
6. lower IQs
7. massive trade deficits
8. declining manufacturing
9. record citizens on food stamps
10. single parent families


About the only thing that liberalism has produced is lower crime rate- by Roe vs. Wade.
Actually, those are all due to conservative policies -- especially the 30 year trend to reduce taxes on the rich and shift the burden downward; anti-union policies; conservative policies that allow exporting jobs overseas by corporations; and inequality, caused by the above.
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