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Oh yes, liberalism means a decline in Calvinist virtue, as David Brooks argues. Brooks says that something happened around 1980 that decayed American virtue. Really? What I can remember about the change around 1980 is the move towards Reaganism, which defunded things such as Revenue Sharing, that largely funded public schools in poor states. Reaganism also shifted the burden of funding the government down to the middle class and enriched the wealthy, increasing inequality.
So we were more equal before Reagan turned the economy around, when we had stagflation, malaise and double digit unemployment?
What about the country under Obama? We have a fifty year high in US poverty, millions living on long term unemployment and 15 million new folks on SNAP, are we coming closer to the liberal Utopian dream of equality?
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Back when the country was truly liberal, like when Ike said:
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
we had growth in public building, such as the interstate highway system; we built new schools and universities, which made us a more educated and productive society.
Yes, we built roads, highways, bridges and schools where none existed before, those are things we can do together thru a federal government. There are good things the federal government can do, but liberals never know when or where to stop. It wasn't enough for libs that the feds help local communities build a school, now they want government to take over even such minor things as school lunch menus.
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It isn't about morals, it's about politics. A recent survey (pdf) on teen births, which is much higher in America than in other advanced countries, is due to inequality and lack of economic mobility.
Where are the highest teen births? In the bible-belt and areas with the most inequality. Those liberal states, like NY and MA have low teen births:
How many teenage girls in the state of New York are getting abortions? New York's population is about five times that of Kentucky, New York City alone is over twice that of Kentucky. so unless you are trying to say that the teens in New York have over five times less sex, or their teens are five times less fertile, then maybe there is something more to the stats that have escaped you.
Denmark is at the bottom of the scale for teens giving birth, why is that? Do you think it's because they are a more moral country, or could it be that they abort 63% of all pregnancies?
Those Liberal states have the highest teenage abortion rates. Nine of the top ten states with high teen abortion rates are solidly Liberal. Looking at teen pregnancy rates, New York has the same rate as Kentucky.
Apples, oranges.
Teen pregnancy rates are not the same.
Look at High, in Table 1 on page 4.
The highest states are significantly red.
Ummmmm, it's becoming more conservative.
Your side wants to regress to the time before Roe v. Wade for women and wants to stop all birth control.
Don't give me this becoming more liberal; it's more regressive.
The rest of the world laughs at us.
A true Constitutional conservative would not call for the federal government to make sweeping laws for abortion or gay marriage. A Constitutional conservative would allow state control over laws for issues like abortion and marriage.
There is also a correlation between religiosity and abortion. The higher the degree of religiosity in a community, the higher the rate of teen pregnancy, and also abortion. The U.S. has a much higher degree of religiosity in general than Canada or most of Europe.
Partly due to lack of introspection, thought disorders are very difficult to treat. Liberalism is much the same way.
So are saying the following-
incomes are better
personal savings better
more middle class citizens
better educated citizens
higher IQs
lower debt
lower deficits
more manufacturing jobs
lower trade imbalances
more two parent families
less people on food stamps
???????????????????????????? This, of course, is a complete denial of reality. I won't even bother to provide you links to support all of these contentions, as it is an exercise in futility to "educate" one so far removed from reality.
It isn't about morals, it's about politics. A recent survey (pdf) on teen births, which is much higher in America than in other advanced countries, is due to inequality and lack of economic mobility.
Where are the highest teen births? In the bible-belt and areas with the most inequality. Those liberal states, like NY and MA have low teen births:
Those New England states at the bottom are very white. Isn't that unequal? The lowest, NH, is libertarian not liberal. You don't go there looking for programs or handouts.
You really have to look at education and racial makeup of the states with the lowest rates.
Oh yes, liberalism means a decline in Calvinist virtue, as David Brooks argues. Brooks says that something happened around 1980 that decayed American virtue. Really? What I can remember about the change around 1980 is the move towards Reaganism, which defunded things such as Revenue Sharing, that largely funded public schools in poor states. Reaganism also shifted the burden of funding the government down to the middle class and enriched the wealthy, increasing inequality.
Back when the country was truly liberal, like when Ike said:
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
we had growth in public building, such as the interstate highway system; we built new schools and universities, which made us a more educated and productive society.
It isn't about morals, it's about politics. A recent survey (pdf) on teen births, which is much higher in America than in other advanced countries, is due to inequality and lack of economic mobility.
Where are the highest teen births? In the bible-belt and areas with the most inequality. Those liberal states, like NY and MA have low teen births:
Being you have access to all these stats, how about one on cities?
Apples, oranges.
Teen pregnancy rates are not the same.
Look at High, in Table 1 on page 4.
The highest states are significantly red.
This isn't a blue/red issue, it's about economics and demographics. The highest teen pregnancy states are poorer and for the most part have high black and hispanic populations, who have significantly higher teen pregnancy and birth rates than whites. Teen Pregnancy Rates By State | LiveScience
The top 10 teen pregnancy states are NM, MS, TX, NV, AR, AZ, DE, LA, OK, GA.
The bottom 10 lowest teen pregnancy states are IA, NE, UT, WI, ME, MA, ND, MN, VT, NH.
I would say that killing the unborn, traditional marriage for gays, legalizing some mind altering drugs and advocating for illegal invaders in our county is a lot more than center. It is a far left ideology.
Typical of you liberals. If someone doesn't go along with your leftist agenda for this country they just must be a right wing nut job. Can't you people ever be civil?
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