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Old 03-24-2013, 02:53 AM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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It's what about three years later and thousands of pages of regulations written up and we're still finding out what's in it. Liberals don't care all they know is it's called obamacare by everyone so it must be good. Nothing Obama does is bad. Liberalism is a mental disease.
Nope, see, you're wrong again.
CONServatives call it Obamacare, liberals call it The Affordable Healthcare Act.

I wished people like yourself would stop spreading misinformation like it was manure. It makes you folks appear immature.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...ds/careact.pdf


Affordable Care Act:
The New Health Care Law at Two Years

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The President’s health plan gives hard working, middle class families the security they deserve. The Affordable Care
Act forces insurance companies to play by the rules, prohibiting them from discriminating against anyone with a
pre-existing condition, dropping your coverage if you get sick, billing you into bankruptcy because of an illness or
injury, and limiting your annual or lifetime benefits. And thanks to health reform, all Americans will have the security
to know that you don’t have to worry about losing coverage if you’re laid off or change jobs, and insurance companies
read more... http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...ds/careact.pdf
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Old 03-24-2013, 04:35 AM
 
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CONServatives call it Obamacare
They can call it Gorgonzola for all I care - it's not going away.
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Old 03-24-2013, 04:48 AM
 
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They can call it Gorgonzola for all I care - it's not going away.
Maybe when Romoney wins in 2016 he'll be able to repeal it, with congressional approval.
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Old 03-24-2013, 04:53 AM
 
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Maybe when Romoney wins in 2016 he'll be able to repeal it, with congressional approval.
LOL. That's just as likely to happen as the other slim chance these sad people are clinging so desperately to, that all the doctors in all the nation will retire.
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Old 03-24-2013, 05:22 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Nope, see, you're wrong again.
CONServatives call it Obamacare, liberals call it The Affordable Healthcare Act.

I wished people like yourself would stop spreading misinformation like it was manure. It makes you folks appear immature.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...ds/careact.pdf


Affordable Care Act:
The New Health Care Law at Two Years


read more... http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...ds/careact.pdf
An insurance company, in order to stay in business and continue to pay claims, must of necessity avoid undue risk, and therefore cannot cover that which is known to exist at the time coverage is offered. This is not unreasonable, and only makes sense, for it would be foolish to accept liability for conditions known to exist in advance, which are guaranteed to require payouts for treatment.

If insurance companies are forced to accept these pre-existing conditions (known risk) and to pay for the required treatment of those conditions, the cost of insurance to all will, of necessity, increase dramatically.

It is not because insurers are "mean spirited" or "greedy." It is because they have to stay in business! One does not remain in business long by losing money, and an insurance company cannot continue to pay claims while losing money. This is also why there are limits placed on the amount they will pay out for a given treatment (why sometimes coverage comes to an end for individuals with terminal or life threatening diseases).

The falacy is that under ObamaCare such treatments will go on forever (that is if treatment is given in the first place, which is in doubt). However, make no mistake, even the government isn't going to pay out money for treatment of a dying individual. The ObamaCare believers ignore the truth that (and Sarah Palin was right) a board of bureaucrats is going to decide what treatment you may have, and what you may not have.

Private insurance will end under "Obamacare." That is by design. You people are pretending that you will always have your private insurance, and you will always have your doctor. That is the lie, and I can tell by the quote that you cut and pasted that you believe everything (the propaganda) that the government is telling you at the moment. But the fact is that private insurance companies are going to be put out of business by ObamaCare. They cannot stay in business under such "mandates" from the government, and already premiums have gone up dramatically because of what they face. This is not sustainable.

Obama himself told the SEIU that he "favors a single payer system" (the government) but that "this cannot happen all at once" (that's pretty close to what he said). He promised them that it was what is intended.

You believe everything the government tells you. I don't believe a word. The government is not your friend.

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Old 03-24-2013, 05:30 AM
 
Location: NJ
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"we have to pass it to see what is in it"

This is the statement that gives birth to conspiracy theories about Obamacare.

None of our representatives read or understood this 20K pp legal document and its ramifications.

To have the audacity to mock 'conspiracy theories' in the face of this insult, read that 'crime' perpetrated on the American people, is the height of compliant ignorance.

In the face of a knowledge gap, any intelligent human being will rationalize a bridge to fill that gap.

Obamacare is as monsterous a gap as you will find and the surprises continue.

Forget the content of Obamacare, the way that legislation was passed should alone legally void it.

Thank the news media and the ignorant electorate, repub and dem, who did not stop the rotation of the earth to remove Nancy Pelosi and others from office when they admitted they never read the legislation before approving it while pretending to be the people's representative.

If the media was not in Obama's pocket it would have brought this outrage to a screeching halt.

So much for legal process. The blindfold worn by justice under Obama has been removed and is being used as a rag to wipe up the incontinent seepage that constantly leaks from this administration. The only blindness that still exists is that of the news media, better known as Obama's sanitation dept.

No one knows what legislative droppings are yet to be uncovered in Obamacare, the legislation that has little to do with healthcare. Obamacare is a decoy or trojan horse that changes the blueprint of America.. and in a destructive way.
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Old 03-24-2013, 05:33 AM
 
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Obamacare is as monsterous a gap as you will find

Ah, so now it's monstrous Gorgonzola, is it?
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Old 03-24-2013, 05:35 AM
 
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Private insurance will end under "Obamacare."

Really? Are you sure? Hurray!
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Old 03-24-2013, 05:42 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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LOL. That's just as likely to happen as the other slim chance ... that all the doctors in all the nation will retire.

Interesting that you mention that. I just read an article yesterday about the numbers of doctors who have said they will probably choose early retirement, and some have already done so, apparently.
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Old 03-24-2013, 05:45 AM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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Originally Posted by nononsenseguy View Post
An insurance company, in order to stay in business and continue to pay claims, must of necessity avoid undue risk, and therefore cannot cover that which is known to exist at the time coverage is offered. This is not unreasonable, and only makes sense, for it would be foolish to accept liability for conditions known to exist in advance, which are guaranteed to require payouts for treatment.

If insurance companies are forced to accept these pre-existing conditions (known risk) and to pay for the required treatment of those conditions, the cost of insurance to all will, of necessity, increase dramatically.

It is not because insurers are "mean spirited" or "greedy." It is because they have to stay in business! One does not remain in business long by losing money, and an insurance company cannot continue to pay claims while losing money. This is also why there are limits placed on the amount they will pay out for a given treatment (why sometimes coverage comes to an end for individuals with terminal or life threatening diseases).

The falacy is that under ObamaCare such treatments will go on forever (that is if treatment is given in the first place, which is in doubt). However, make no mistake, even the government isn't going to pay out money for treatment of a dying individual. The ObamaCare believers ignore the truth that (and Sarah Palin was right) a board of bureaucrats is going to decide what treatment you may have, and what you may not have.

Private insurance will end under "Obamacare." That is by design. You people are pretending that you will always have your private insurance, and you will always have your doctor. That is the lie, and I can tell by the quote that you cut and pasted that you believe everything (the propaganda) that the government is telling you at the moment. But the fact is that private insurance companies are going to be put out of business by ObamaCare. They cannot stay in business under such "mandates" from the government, and already premiums have gone up dramatically because of what they face. This is not sustainable.

Obama himself told the SEIU that he "favors a single payer system" (the government) but that "this cannot happen all at once" (that's pretty close to what he said). He promised them that it was what is intended.

You believe everything the government tells you. I don't believe a word. The government is not your friend.
I don't think so.
It's called the Affordable Healthcare Act, not Obamacare, just to set you straight.
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