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Old 03-26-2013, 11:03 PM
 
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Again, let's not confuse race with ethnicity/culture or nationality. These are the racial catagories on the U.S. census. White, Black or African American, American Indian or Alaska Native, Asian, and Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander. This is about genetics nothing else. Genetics cannot be changed and are set in stone. As I stated before Hispanic is a culture so it has no place on the racial catagories. Any race can be of any ethnicity or nationality. There should be no confusion about this.
Well -- organ transplant work-ups with HLA typing actually look at "hispanic" as a race. Getting a tissue match is the one advantage that whites have, whites are far more likely to get a compatible kidney than are hispanics.
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Old 03-26-2013, 11:10 PM
 
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Indeed. My daughter would fall into the latter category that you describe: She is tall, blond, has blue eyes, and not a drop of non-white blood in her. Yet, she can check "hispanic" because she has a passport and birth certificate from a Latin American country. Thus, nobody can arguwith her that she is not hispanic in regards to such "check boxes."
Actually anyone can check the "hispanic" box if they want to be admitted into a college or win financial aid or take advantage of the affirmative action and quotas being given to hispanics. I know people who have done just that and no one checked up on them or required any dna test. "Hispanics" wanting affirmative action don't actually have to speak Spanish or be mestizos, or have a Spanish last name, or be immigrated to this country, it's all about checking the box. In fact someone could probably check the black box too and never have to prove anything.
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Old 03-30-2013, 02:55 AM
 
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You cannot be hispanic, unless you are from Spanish speaking central or south america. Italians are not latin/hispanic.
Italians are Latins. The Latin race was born in Rome. Spaniards are Latins by virtue of Rome and Latin Americans are Latins by virtue of being colonized by the Spaniards. Therefore, the Pope is doubly Latin, since he is of Italian stock and he was born in Latin America.
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Old 03-30-2013, 03:04 AM
 
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Hispanic is a reference specific to the Americas.
Hispanic is not just a reference to the Americas, its also a reference to Spain. It derives from the Latin word for Spain which is Hispania.

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Old 03-30-2013, 03:28 AM
 
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We wouldn't be having this nonsensical debate if the word "Latino" had not be hijacked by certain radicalized elements within the chicano community of the USA [not Latin America] who have taken ownership of the word "Latino." To them, a "Latino" is a meso-american or a mestizo. Many of them don't even consider Spaniards to be "Latinos" because Spaniards are Europeans. That's like saying that Jamaicans are "Anglos", but not Brits. Latin Americans are "Latinos" by virtue of being colonized by the Spaniards, so how is it that the colonizers are suddenly not "Latinos," but the conquered people are?

The fact is that it is anthropologically incorrect and ridiculous to say that the new Pope is not a "Latino." Last time I checked, Argentina was in Latin America and Argentines speak Spanish and have a Hispanic culture. The pope is of Italian stock where the Latin raced originated, so he is doubly "Latino," by virtue of being born in Latin America.

That said, "Latino" is nothing more than the word "Latin" said in Spanish. Any other connotation that is given to it is culturally incorrect and not shared by the rest of the world. In fact, most Hispanics in the USA have no problem considering the pope "Latino" as I have said, its just a small number of radicalized and vocal activists who feel that they speak for all Hispanics. Nothing could be farther than the truth.
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Old 03-30-2013, 03:35 AM
 
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Hispanic is not just a reference to the Americas, its also a reference to Spain. It derives from the Latin word for Spain which is Hispania.
I guess most folk are concerning hispanic to 1492 and the new world.

It is interesting to me that on spanish language televison, Pope Francis is refered to as Americano...American.

Hispanics from all parts of the "new world" see themselves as Americanos...Americans. Not of the US of A, but form the North, Central, and South.

Somethimes we see things form an "US of A" point of view. while the rest of the westren Hemisphere sees itself differently.

The Pope is as American[o] as Apple pie or Tamales [tamales are eaten form Argentina to Alaska]

OBTW...apples were brought to the new world; corn, chilies, and tomatos were already here.
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Old 03-30-2013, 07:03 AM
 
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He is white
Uh; many Hispanics are "white"; even some Mexicans.
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Old 03-30-2013, 07:04 AM
 
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Well -- organ transplant work-ups with HLA typing actually look at "hispanic" as a race. Getting a tissue match is the one advantage that whites have, whites are far more likely to get a compatible kidney than are hispanics.
Tho most "Hispanics" in the US are mixed race white and Indian and mixed real well.
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Old 03-30-2013, 07:15 AM
 
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I guess most folk are concerning hispanic to 1492 and the new world.

It is interesting to me that on spanish language televison, Pope Francis is refered to as Americano...American.

Hispanics from all parts of the "new world" see themselves as Americanos...Americans. Not of the US of A, but form the North, Central, and South.

Somethimes we see things form an "US of A" point of view. while the rest of the westren Hemisphere sees itself differently.

The Pope is as American[o] as Apple pie or Tamales [tamales are eaten form Argentina to Alaska]

OBTW...apples were brought to the new world; corn, chilies, and tomatos were already here.
Where are you getting this? I have never heard of a Hispanic that wasn't a U.S. citizen refer to themselves as an American. They refer to themselves by the country they hold citizenship in or they use hypenated nationalities like Mexican-American. American is the common word for a U.S. citizen. Most people don't refer to themselves by the continent they live on. It's too vague.
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Old 03-30-2013, 08:23 AM
 
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Where are you getting this? I have never heard of a Hispanic that wasn't a U.S. citizen refer to themselves as an American. They refer to themselves by the country they hold citizenship in or they use hypenated nationalities like Mexican-American. American is the common word for a U.S. citizen. Most people don't refer to themselves by the continent they live on. It's too vague.
You are speaking from an English-language perspective. In Spanish people from all the Americas are americanos. Those from the USA are norteamericano or estadounidense.
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