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So, are you claiming that nobody has ever worked their way through college?
That chest-banging is called pride.
Hmmm... not really. I know people right now that work very very hard. In fact, they have 2 or 3 jobs and they still can barely make ends meet and get home exhausted, in pain, with barely time to sleep and definitely no time to do anything for themselves.
This pie-in-the-sky boasting of right wingers about how they're Superman and can study to be a doctor while working two jobs at the same time, work out like some Mr. Universe, cook like The Barefoot Contessa and clean like the Merry Maids is pure BS. And yet right wingers lie about it all the time, chest-banging that they accomplished these million thigns, and accomplished those other million things, all with no aid at all, worked a bazillion jobs per day, yada yada lies lies and more lies. If right wingers ever told a truth, I swear it'd be so foreign to them, they'd probably be knocked dead on the spot from the shock.
I'm not sure they are delusions. It might well be that that's the way he wants it. I know more than one person who wants all regulations removed, and they don't care who or what gets damaged in the process as long as there is money flowing. To them, regulations are nothing more than brick walls in the way of money.
That's true. There are some delusional, and then there are the others, who know perfectly well that deregulations damage the economy, damage the middle class, working poor and poor, but they just don't care a rat's behind if it does.
I wish I were exaggerating or being funny, but the fact is that right wingers do nothing but boast about imaginary accomplishments no one believes. And you know what? It's not that the rest of us don't know the intention behind all that boasting about imaginary accomplishments. We know perfectly well it's all part of the right wing agenda, which is the same old, tired agenda Reagan had, then GW Bush, and in between all the Karl Roves and all those Bible banging preachers who were intricately interwoven with the right wing. At the bottom of it is the hatred of the poor, a scapegoating meant to deflect from who is actually doing the damage to this country, and it sure as hell isn't the poor.
As opposed to enslaving free people through government and taking away their freedoms and ability to think? I would much rather try and fail than to be taken care of.
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No matter how poor I might be I would not accept legalized theft from others to support me. It is in my best interest to have some degree of self-respect.
No matter how poor I might be I would not accept legalized theft from others to support me. It is in my best interest to have some degree of self-respect.
No matter how poor I might be I would not accept legalized theft from others to support me. It is in my best interest to have some degree of self-respect.
So, if you had some medical issues that ended up bankrupting you, forcing you out of your house, and left you with nothing (obviously, you are immune from such a thing, but think as one of the many that aren't), you would rather starve on the street to prove to yourself how much respect you have for yourself, than to accept help from your government? I must admit, you're a better man than I. Well, different. Better was the wrong word.
I honestly hate the thought of taxes as "legalized theft". Such a petty and moronic position.
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She's saying that because she could never accomplish it, nobody else can.
This is a common liberal idiot tactic, inability and lazy loves company.
So help me out here. Do you think that all liberals are idiots? Can you define "liberal"? Can you do it without the words "socialist", "marxist", or "communist"? Can you do it with ONE OUNCE of respect you seem to expect from others? Would you have any issues with me calling conservatives complete and utter self-involved narcissists with absolutely no care for anyone other than themselves and their wallets? Do you think that's an accurate assessment? If not, why do you think liberals are idiots? And would you suggest that someone like myself who is very liberal has little ability and is lazy? Try me.
So help me out here. Do you think that all liberals are idiots? Can you define "liberal"? Can you do it without the words "socialist", "marxist", or "communist"? Can you do it with ONE OUNCE of respect you seem to expect from others?
I don't think all liberals are idiots, only the ones who honestly believe that they are better able to decide what is best for me, my family or my money than I am... hence the premise of this thread. I see a lot of our resident liberal idiots here on CD claiming that conservatives vote against their own self interests and that we should vote differently. If you're a level headed liberal with common sense then we'd probably get along, it's just that we don't have many of those liberals here on CD.
I don't think all liberals are idiots, only the ones who honestly believe that they are better able to decide what is best for me, my family or my money than I am... hence the premise of this thread. I see a lot of our resident liberal idiots here on CD claiming that conservatives vote against their own self interests and that we should vote differently. If you're a level headed liberal with common sense then we'd probably get along, it's just that we don't have many of those liberals here on CD.
Well, no. I don't know you are what you do. I have no way of determining what your needs or interests are. Honestly, I don't think Republican policies are good for anyone outside of people who want to bulldoze through the business world or crap on people they deem below them. But, obviously that is my opinion.
As I said before, I think a lot of people do vote against their own interests, whether they mean to or not. I gave the example of low-income seniors using Medicare who actively vote towards ending socialized medicine, not even realizing that they are using socialized medicine. That's voting against your own interest with no education about what you are voting for.
Or you have someone like me, who might even vote for higher taxes on myself if I know that they are going to be used to help people or fix up our country. I have no issue with that. I do have an issue if it's used to give one cent to corporations (unless they are doing actual work towards betterment of the country), the black pit of waste that is our defense department, or any other numerous things on my list. The extra taxes I vote for might not help me at all directly, but I think a country full of people who are better taken care of is better for everyone.
But, keep in mind that we also seem to have some rather rabid conservatives on here as well. Honestly, I read quite a bit more stuff about "stupid idiot liberals" than I read about "crazy conservatives" in many of the boards I read. Don't pretend that the admonishment is one-sided and that both sides don't have their share of characters.
PS - also...keep in mind that there are many people out there who simply don't know what is best for themselves, their family, or their money. I worked with one guy who refused to work one hour of overtime. Why? Because he valued family time more? Because he wanted more free time? Nope: he honestly believed that once you hit a certain number of hours, that you actually pay the government to work, as in they took out more taxes than you made. Completely unfounded and not based in any level of reality, but he was absolutely convinced, no matter how many people tried to explain the concept of tax brackets to him. Some people don't get it.
I'm in my 30s
I'm pretty conservative with a libertarian streak
I generally vote R only because they're the better of 2 horrible options.
I have a college education
I'm white
I've been married for 10+ years
I'm an engineer
We have 2 children of our own and we've adopted children.
I don't think I've ever heard liberals suggest that people "like you" (of similar demographic description) are voting against their own interests.
I think the people they are talking about are more likely to be single, and working at insecure low-end jobs.
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