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Laws get broken every day. The sale he made to Lanzas mother had all the Is dotted. So, other violations, that did not contribute to the shooting, mean, what? They didn't shut him down for selling the guns Lanza used. Nobody has ever claimed that every, single, gun dealer in the nation is pure as the driven snow. This whole pouncing on this guy getting shut down is nonsensical to me.
With all the lols and Lmaos in your posts, it's building this image in my head, of a snotty school girl. Nanny Nanny Boo Boo!! The mean ol' gun dealer guy got shut down! So? Sounds like he just may have had it coming. But not because of Sandy Hook.
So how is this really relevant? Just to be clear, I'm not defending this gun dealer. I don't have enough information to go either way at this point. Figured I would just point out that these, alleged, violations, had nothing to do with Adam Lanza.
You missed the multiple threads where the Tin Foil Hat Brigade swore it was a huge government conspiracy because of Newtown. I'm just following up to ease their minds.
And of course it doesn't mean I think every gun dealer is "driven snow." On the other hand, it does make one wonder how many violations go on at your average gun dealer if it took hundreds to pull this guy's license. And we're supposed to believe that we're all safe and secure in America because there are plenty of regulations already that work just fine -- hell, we're supposed to agree with the NRA that we should remove the regulations we already have! Gun people are so responsible! Move along, nothing to see here!
You missed the multiple threads where the Tin Foil Hat Brigade swore it was a huge government conspiracy because of Newtown. I'm just following up to ease their minds.
And of course it doesn't mean I think every gun dealer is "driven snow." On the other hand, it does make one wonder how many violations go on at your average gun dealer if it took hundreds to pull this guy's license. And we're supposed to believe that we're all safe and secure in America because there are plenty of regulations already that work just fine -- hell, we're supposed to agree with the NRA that we should remove the regulations we already have! Gun people are so responsible! Move along, nothing to see here!
The current background check system works very well. Takes 20 minutes, adds 25 bucks to the purchase, and retains privacy, unless the buyer doesnt pass. As to these "hundreds" of violations, BATF is supposed to audit gun stores at least annually. Sounds like this guy was let slide. And THAT begs the question, why aren't the Feds doing their job? How many other places just get pencil whipped on required audits? Seems there is a bit of a proper enforcement, of existing laws, issue.
Lack of enforcement is a big problem. I have witnessed several guys turned down, attempting to buy a gun, because of felony records. The authorities were notified, but did not act. So, if the agencies overseeing the firearms trade, cannot or will not, enforce current law, consistently, how is anyone expecting them to take on more?
Anti firearms groups and politicians, are hammering on the background checks, but what they REALLY want is the national registry, the proposed new system creates. Personally, I feel it's nobodies business, but my own, what firearms I have. They were all purchased legally, and used for legal purposes.
In a nutshell, if current laws were enforced, in their intended role, we would not be having this discussion.
I'll reply despite your pathetic attempt to limit the discussion by insulting people who you disagree with. The article you posted certainly leaves room for alternative ideas:
You started a similar post on the same dealer a while back, questioning why the gun shop was shut down posting not one fact other than to blame Obama, you want to have an intelligent conversation then do so without all the theatrics.
The current background check system works very well. Takes 20 minutes, adds 25 bucks to the purchase, and retains privacy, unless the buyer doesnt pass. As to these "hundreds" of violations, BATF is supposed to audit gun stores at least annually. Sounds like this guy was let slide. And THAT begs the question, why aren't the Feds doing their job? How many other places just get pencil whipped on required audits? Seems there is a bit of a proper enforcement, of existing laws, issue.
Lack of enforcement is a big problem. I have witnessed several guys turned down, attempting to buy a gun, because of felony records. The authorities were notified, but did not act. So, if the agencies overseeing the firearms trade, cannot or will not, enforce current law, consistently, how is anyone expecting them to take on more?
Anti firearms groups and politicians, are hammering on the background checks, but what they REALLY want is the national registry, the proposed new system creates. Personally, I feel it's nobodies business, but my own, what firearms I have. They were all purchased legally, and used for legal purposes.
In a nutshell, if current laws were enforced, in their intended role, we would not be having this discussion.
ATF is prevented from auditing a gun store more than once a year, doesn't really matter in most cases it can take up to 5 years with their staffing. Around 80,000 to 90,000 are turned down every year through the feds, so the law is working, I don't know where you get the staff to prosecute that many people for falsifying a document and it really is not that straight forward, I don't think it's a question of will not but rather cannot.
ATF is prevented from auditing a gun store more than once a year, doesn't really matter in most cases it can take up to 5 years with their staffing. Around 80,000 to 90,000 are turned down every year through the feds, so the law is working, I don't know where you get the staff to prosecute that many people for falsifying a document and it really is not that straight forward, I don't think it's a question of will not but rather cannot.
No one is proposing a nation registry.
Its not at the federal level, that felons trying to buy firearms, falls under. It's the state and local LE. Around here, there is plenty of staffing to arrest these guys, and send them back up, for their next strike. Brady cbecks are handled by the state. However, out of several incidents at the local gun shop, I observed, local LE did no arrests, and, a couple of these clowns had BAD sheets. At least they were kept from buying a gun, but, it seems to take the teeth out of the whole felons/ firearms thing.
Its not at the federal level, that felons trying to buy firearms, falls under. It's the state and local LE. Around here, there is plenty of staffing to arrest these guys, and send them back up, for their next strike. Brady cbecks are handled by the state. However, out of several incidents at the local gun shop, I observed, local LE did no arrests, and, a couple of these clowns had BAD sheets. At least they were kept from buying a gun, but, it seems to take the teeth out of the whole felons/ firearms thing.
I understand some states handle their own background checks but the ATF is restricted from sharing information with local LE and some just do not want to take responsibility. Local LE's are the best to handle many of these local issues, they have the staffing and a better understanding of their community.
If true they absolutely should be shut down. I think the bigger story though is that someone in the government might actually be doing their job here.
That's pretty amazing and certainly hard to believe.
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So? Sounds like he just may have had it coming. But not because of Sandy Hook. 
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