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Old 04-22-2013, 06:37 PM
 
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Most people are convinced it's an open and shut case.

But when we take a step back and instead of using deductive reasoning from what we've been told, and examine exactly what we have been shown, there is a great disconnect between the two.

The images that we have been shown should be under further scrutiny.


Notice the drastically different color in the backpack





And if one says, well it must have been Suspect #1s backpack



But you can see the contrast on here that his backpack was closer to a dark grey instead of black

And if anyone should be questioned for suspicion with a clear black backpack it should be this guy who was literally in the doorway where the explosive went off.




Or one of the many several individuals wearing black and tan such as this guy




Several of these individuals could even be seen fleeing the scene. Including the above one WITHOUT his backpack.


But one says that we know for sure that they were in a firefight with police and were throwing the grenades. Well there should be no problem picking that battle up on the police scanner and cameras in the police vehicles should it?



Now again it's technically possible that the two suspects that the FBI were searching for were the only suspects, but it's quite curious how so many of us have come to that conclusion based off of what we have been shown. Because again there is a great disparity between what we've been shown and told


Based off what the public has been shown, I suppose it could be justification for indicting someone of a crime that occurs in a department store merely because they were in the store which inevitably meant they would be on the security camera.
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Old 04-22-2013, 06:40 PM
 
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I don't know, do they have actual video footage of the two guys putting down the packs & those very same packs are the ones that blew? At any rate, why shoot two officers, commandeer a vehicle, start a police chase while shooting at the police & throwing explosives at them if they were innocent?
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Old 04-22-2013, 06:42 PM
 
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I don't know, do they have actual video footage of the two guys putting down the packs & those very same packs are the ones that blew? At any rate, why shoot two officers, commandeer a vehicle, start a police chase while shooting at the police & throwing explosives at them if they were innocent?
Again all of that could be true. But the way I look at it, I'm always looking down the road and for potential precedents

Now I'm not saying the FBI is fully corrupt, but if we set a precedent where an organization can convince us to waive someone's due process rights all based on their official reports, what kind of precedent are we setting?

What if such a precedent is used on political dissidence in the future?

As far as the footage of them putting down the backpack, the closest is a picture that people have of suspect #2 behind the 8 year old boy

But three key things:

A)That photo has not been yet verified for authenticity

B)Suspect #2 clearly had a white backpack so that would not have been the bag pictured in the photo

C)Suspect #3 was not the only person who was later not wearing a backpack. There were several other individuals with backpacks much closer to the one shown as the one containing the bomb, that were much more protruding than his backpack, that were later missing their backpacks.

And certainly that should not be considered exactly court permissible evidence for such a huge allegation
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Old 04-22-2013, 06:45 PM
 
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But again, why would those two do that if they were innocent? I don't really see how a conspiracy or cover up or bad judgment or pawning by the FBI has anything to do w/it. The cops & FBI didn't make those two do what they did (I'm talking after the bombing). They had those weapons on them & used it by their own free will. If they were innocent, they would not have guns & explosives on them & tossed them at cops.
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Old 04-22-2013, 06:49 PM
 
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Being neither experts nor witnesses, we're going to believe what we're told. Personally, I believe nothing.
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Old 04-22-2013, 06:54 PM
 
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Being neither experts nor witnesses, we're going to believe what we're told. Personally, I believe nothing.
Perhaps the biggest danger is that we often don't even realize that we just believe something because it's what we were told

And often times what we're told does not add up or is later placed down the memory hole

Just like the "naked man" that was identified by the Aunt of the suspect as the suspect

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nIEfEN1jVA
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Old 04-22-2013, 07:23 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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A lot of the time, if you have nothing to go on but what we are told, that is it. That is why the use of so many videos and cameras and phones today, are very often the proof that is needed.

But when you start adding everything up about these brothers, over the past year, things start adding up. It does apear they wanted to do harm to Americans plain and simple, not taking anyone persons word, but their words on Friday night.

They seem to brag about being the bombers, with pride. There may be more people involved then we know of at this point, and with the older brother's face book page, and the ramblings on that page, no one did anything abut that, come on now.

Our government should of been aware of the older brother, after they looked into him, you don't give someone a clean slate as they did. And then let it go. Eyes and ears need to be vigilent.

Why don't we call it as it really is, are they terrorist or what, it appears some have a hard time calling things like this bombing what it really is. Seems to most this was a terrorist bombing commited to kill more americans then it actually did.

I respect the truth no matter what it is, but do not respect a change in words in what the real truth was.
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Old 04-22-2013, 07:28 PM
 
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A lot of the time, if you have nothing to go on but what we are told, that is it. That is why the use of so many videos and cameras and phones today, are very often the proof that is needed.

But when you start adding everything up about these brothers, over the past year, things start adding up. It does apear they wanted to do harm to Americans plain and simple, not taking anyone persons word, but their words on Friday night.

They seem to brag about being the bombers, with pride. There may be more people involved then we know of at this point, and with the older brother's face book page, and the ramblings on that page, no one did anything abut that, come on now.

Our government should of been aware of the older brother, after they looked into him, you don't give someone a clean slate as they did. And then let it go. Eyes and ears need to be vigilent.

Why don't we call it as it really is, are they terrorist or what, it appears some have a hard time calling things like this bombing what it really is. Seems to most this was a terrorist bombing commited to kill more americans then it actually did.

I respect the truth no matter what it is, but do not respect a change in words in what the real truth was.
We were told they bragged about being bombers in a carjacking that was connected to a robbery of a convenience store that apparently they were never apart of

Again the story has changed so many times regarding these two individuals

And there is a disconnect between their behavior and the deeds they are accused of. Such as actually attending school, going to exercise, and party the next day

Not even the slightest attempt to flee town. Their friends and parents are incredulous at the claims that have been alleged against them. This isn't the "crazy quiet kid" that everyone knew could snap one day.

Now again, they could be 100% guilty. But we the public have been shown 0% of condemning evidence other than the mere fact that they were at the race and had on backpacks


If that was the only requirements to be guilty, then these two guys should never have been cleared as suspects
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:40 PM
 
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We were told they bragged about being bombers in a carjacking that was connected to a robbery of a convenience store that apparently they were never apart of

Again the story has changed so many times regarding these two individuals

And there is a disconnect between their behavior and the deeds they are accused of. Such as actually attending school, going to exercise, and party the next day

Not even the slightest attempt to flee town. Their friends and parents are incredulous at the claims that have been alleged against them. This isn't the "crazy quiet kid" that everyone knew could snap one day.

Now again, they could be 100% guilty. But we the public have been shown 0% of condemning evidence other than the mere fact that they were at the race and had on backpacks


If that was the only requirements to be guilty, then these two guys should never have been cleared as suspects
Not so. The photos are much more suggestive of commission of a crime than the one you posted, of two people actually watching the race. These guys have also been identified by eyewitnesses.
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Old 04-22-2013, 11:06 PM
 
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Maybe you should ask the 19 year old guy in the hospital if there is any evidence. He has stated that he and his brother were operating alone and the motive was "religious fervor".

Officials: Hospitalized bombing suspect says he and brother acted alone, motivated by religion - U.S. News

Is a confession not evidence enough?
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