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Old 05-03-2013, 09:24 AM
 
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Capitalism idolizes the rich, regardless of whether these worked to get their wealth or merely inherited it.
To me, this is the important point.

Once upon a time, it was believed that hard work was the path to wealth. You had a "Henry Ford" model that people would follow: just work hard and success will come.

That's not reality anymore. Our financial system rewards completely different things, like sociopathy, and the ability to secure and exploit a monopoly position. Thus, young people are very rational in their beliefs.
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Old 05-03-2013, 09:25 AM
 
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To me, this is the important point.

Once upon a time , it was believed that hard work led to wealth.

That's not reality today, and thus it is no longer something young people believe.
Upward mobility is the proverbial pot o' gold at the end of a rainbow. You can chase it as hard and as long as you want, but it will most likely never exist - for most.
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Old 05-03-2013, 09:26 AM
 
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'nuff said.

In before retarded comparisons of socialism and dog-eat-dog CAPITALIST Germany/Sweden.

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Old 05-03-2013, 09:27 AM
 
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Upward mobility is the proverbial pot o' gold at the end of a rainbow. You can chase it as hard and as long as you want, but it will most likely never exist - for most.
I agree, it is important for people to believe that personal success is possible.

in order to have this belief, markets have to be "free" of monopolies.

currently we have so many monopolies that it chokes off all hope for the majority of people.
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Old 05-03-2013, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I agree, it is important for people to believe that personal success is possible.

in order to have this belief, markets have to be "free" of monopolies.

currently we have so many monopolies that it chokes off all hope for the majority of people.
A monopoly cannot exist long-term without help from the government.
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Old 05-03-2013, 10:02 AM
 
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Using your logic, we should go back 500 years and eliminate all of the technology that has made our lives quite comfortable. Of course that would mean the average lifespan would be about half of what it is today. But we would have lots of menial jobs for people.
Your assumption that only capitalism is capable of bringing change, advance, and progress, is specious. While it does bring some progress, so do other economic systems, and capitalism does bring with it an endless amount of completely pointless, worthless, and even damaging new developments, and I don't just mean pet rocks and medications that kill.
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Old 05-03-2013, 10:05 AM
 
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'nuff said.

In before retarded comparisons of socialism and dog-eat-dog CAPITALIST Germany/Sweden.
This is part of the problem with right wingers. They live in the past as if this were 1950 and Joseph McCarthy and Edgar Hoover were in their heyday of pro-American-anti-Communist propaganda.
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Old 05-03-2013, 10:08 AM
 
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This is part of the problem with right wingers. They live in the past as if this were 1950 and Joseph McCarthy and Edgar Hoover were in their heyday of pro-American-anti-Communist propaganda.
I don't see socialist wannabes commenting on the suicide rates and of pre-1989 Central European socialist countries. Many of those youth (now grown) would laugh at the problems of 20 somethings today.

Then again, that's the problem with neo-proggies. They believe if these punks would've just shut up and followed the rules, they wouldn't have ended up incarcerated or dead. It isn't worth giving up cradle to grave job and pension support for a little extra freedom.
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Old 05-03-2013, 10:10 AM
 
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I don't see socialist wannabes commenting on the suicide rates and of pre-1989 Central European socialist countries. Many of those youth (now grown) would laugh at the problems of 20 somethings today.

Then again, that's the problem with neo-proggies. They believe if these punks would've just shut up and followed the rules, they wouldn't have ended up incarcerated or dead. It isn't worth giving up cradle to grave job and pension support for a little extra freedom.
A cradle to grave job? I've never heard of that before.
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Old 05-03-2013, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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To blame for this? I say it's our culture of capitalism.
But, of course! Especially since you don't understand Economics.

Capitalism is a Property Theory.

As a Property Theory, Capitalism posits that Capital --- cash, credit, machinery, equipment, tools, vehicles (when used to produce/deliver services), land (when used to produce products/provide services), Labor, resources in various states of processing and such should be in the control of individuals, and not governments.

Capitalism makes no moral judgments.....if you are a Carpenter, then acquire Capital --- tools, equipment, vehicles --- to either produce a product, provide a service or both.

If Capitalism does anything, it teaches personal responsibility, since you must learn how to successfully manage and maintain your Capital so that you can continue to produce goods or provide services.

This is true, even if your only Capital is your skills as a laborer.

You must take personal responsibility to acquire additional training, skills, and education or to diversify or specialize your skills, so that you are in demand to perform your skills.

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Capitalism doesn't teach people to be compassionate, and it definitely doesn't teach people to work.
On the contrary...I just disproved your silly emotionally-based-lacking-in-fact-thesis.

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Capitalism idolizes the rich, regardless of whether these worked to get their wealth or merely inherited it.
Uh-huh, and the royalty and rich in many of the Socialist Euro-States weren't idolized?

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Capitalism teaches people to take as much as possible without regard to anyone else, and if in the taking of everything someone else is hurt, well, isn't that just too bad!
That has nothing to do with Capitalism.

If anything, that has to do with Economics Systems, like the Free Market System.

To debunk your entire thread, note that it is possible to employ Capitalist Property Theory while simultaneously using the Soviet-style Command Economic System.

As a point of fact, you are currently using Capitalist Property Theory with Soviet-Style Command Economics in certain sectors of your economy....

....most notably health care, and you've been suffering under Soviet-style Command Economics in health care since 1939.....thanks to the American Hospital Association.

Have a happy day....

Mircea
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