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Insurance is a financial product. Insurance has absolutely nothing to do with medical care, it is simply a way to manage risk. Abolish health insurance in it's entirety and you still have to pay for the Dr's, nurses, technology, drugs, and hospitals will still control the prices. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy insurance, but won't people do because the actual cost of health care is too expensive to handle on your own (for most people)............................What you have in the USA is not a free market...............
OK, so here is where insurance DOES have a lot to do with medical care. When the true concept of insurance was lost (that is, protection against catastrophic expenses only) in health care in favor of Cadillac plans and first dollar coverage and low deductibles, then the consumers of health care got disconnected from its cost. And the costs went wild as a result.
If nobody had insurance, routine care and run-of-the-mill procedures would deliver more for the money over time--just like computers or smart phones or vehicles or anything else in the free economy.
Patents and tariffs establish an artificial monopoly and it's granted by the United States Government.
Patents and tariffs establish an artificial monopoly and it's granted by the United States Government.
Thanks for proving my point that the difference you were trying to assert existed between automobiles and medical innovations was utter nonsense.
So back to the topic, now that your derail has failed: There's no reason why the facilitation of affordable, basic essential care would block innovation, any more than public transportation blocks advancements in luxury automobiles.
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Originally Posted by marcopolo
If nobody had insurance, routine care and run-of-the-mill procedures would deliver more for the money over time--just like computers or smart phones or vehicles or anything else in the free economy.
By the time my great-grandfather was my age he had been dead for a few years.
Patents and tariffs establish an artificial monopoly and it's granted by the United States Government.
Thanks for proving my point that the difference you were trying to assert existed between automobiles and medical innovations was utter nonsense.
So back to the topic, now that your derail has failed: There's no reason why the facilitation of affordable, basic essential care would block innovation, any more than public transportation blocks advancements in luxury automobiles.
By the time my great-grandfather was my age he had been dead for a few years.
Perhaps you could clarify exactly what you are trying to say. Are you talking about medical technology or procedures? Basic care is already affordable in markets that have clinics. Ever been to a cash clinic? It's expensive if you want drugs, a specialist, or have to go to a hospital, but if you need any of those then you don't have a choice and the hospitals get to set the price.
Perhaps you could clarify exactly what you are trying to say.
I actually have. In response to earlier insinuations to the contrary, my statement is, "There's no reason why the facilitation of affordable, basic essential care would block innovation, any more than public transportation blocks advancements in luxury automobiles."
You seem to be frustrated that I haven't said something that you can easily argue against. Get over it.
I actually have. In response to earlier insinuations to the contrary, my statement is, "There's no reason why the facilitation of affordable, basic essential care would block innovation, any more than public transportation blocks advancements in luxury automobiles."
You seem to be frustrated that I haven't said something that you can easily argue against. Get over it.
Get over it yourself. You took issue with what I said. I even gave examples that have shown innovation and price reductions.
Cars can be imported, but drugs and medical devices can't - not as easily anyway. But, again that's why I was asking if you were talking about a procedural innovation or technological innovation.
Basic care is already cheap and affordable in places that allow clinics. If you need treatment that only a hospital can provide or you don't have clinics near you then you are out of luck because in most markets hospitals are not competitive.
Get over it yourself. You took issue with what I said.
Actually, I took issue with what marcopolo posted. You decided to stick your nose into the discussion - that's on you.
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I even gave examples that have shown innovation and price reductions.
And I repudiated your whole contention objecting to my objection to what marcopolo wrote. The fact that you decided to go over on your own tangent is on you, as well.
Get a grip. Make an argument for or against government spending, if you will, but don't deny that taxes go to cover the costs of government spending. It just makes your comment look totally unhinged.
When you realize that your comment self-contradictory, get back to us.
The fact is the bad from ACA will be outweighted by the good soon enough.
The issue with the contradictory statement is this. You make more than 133% of the poverty line, you are off Medicaid. Which I showed those numbers. After that you are subject to the tax fines for not being able to pay for health insurance. This why I say that the good (removing "pre-existing conditions", expansion of Medicaid and extending student coverage) will be outweighted by the bad (decrease in full-time employment, increase in part-time employment, taxing if you make 33% more income than the poverty line) and that is what we just see now with it not being in full effect like it will in seven months. In a year, maybe everyone will change their tune for being happy about Obamacare to wanting it gone.
And yet again, you're talking to someone who has effectively been living where an affordable care act has been in force for over six years.
But heck - go ahead and knock yourself out spreading vacuous fear, uncertainty and doubt, if that's what rocks your world.
Don't worry, you will get your free stuff.
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