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Old 05-14-2013, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Yes they could be able to. You simply don't know what you're talking about, like this:ACA includes subsidies up to 400 FPL.In other words, because you cannot save everyone suffering a heart attack you shouldn't try to save anyone. I'm glad you're not my doctor.
First off, I would not be a doctor at all, I cannot stand open surgery from reality shows.

What I am saying is why enact a law that will bankrupt people because you will either be forced to pay a tax penalty if you cannot get insurance because you make enough. The fact is the good from Obamacare will be outweighted by the bad soon enough.
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Old 05-14-2013, 01:13 PM
 
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It is pretty obvious that the Bush and Obama Administrations have been very kind to big business interests. TARP, low tax rates, low interest rates,etc. Why don't businesses want to hire people in the country that saved their asses?

Simple question. Discuss.
Actually, a question I would prefer to have answered is:

Why would anyone be so gullible as to believe the Republican myth that helping U.S. corporations with deregulation, tax breaks, and refusal to enforce anti-trust laws, would result in:

1) Jobs for the U.S.
2) Money trickle-down to the rest of people in the U.S.
3) A feeling of patriotism within the corporations that would keep them here in the U.S.

When capitalists began spreading this propaganda around ^^^^ I was shocked at those who believed it.
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Old 05-14-2013, 04:49 PM
 
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[quote=lycos679;29556550]Yes and they aren't even one of the top 100 paid CEO's. The only health related CEO in the top 20 is the CEO of a hospital chain. Besides, $7 million isn't much for a CEO of a large company.


Insurance isn't healthcare.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Our healthcare dollars would be better spent on actual healthcare, not paying into a for-profit health insurance system.

Think how much that measly $7 million would buy in healthcare. And multiply that for all the corporate blood-suckers, the pharmaceutical companies, the hospitals, all those hundreds of CEOs making millions, and realize that that is where your healthcare dollars are going.

Universal healthcare for everyone is the way to go.
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Old 05-14-2013, 04:54 PM
 
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Actually, a question I would prefer to have answered is:

Why would anyone be so gullible as to believe the Republican myth that helping U.S. corporations with deregulation, tax breaks, and refusal to enforce anti-trust laws, would result in:

1) Jobs for the U.S.
2) Money trickle-down to the rest of people in the U.S.
3) A feeling of patriotism within the corporations that would keep them here in the U.S.

When capitalists began spreading this propaganda around ^^^^ I was shocked at those who believed it.
People have literally been brain-washed by corporate propoganda. The corporate financial blood-sucking leeches are great at making anything that will benefit them sound like it will benefit the populace.

Regulations to protect people against banks ---> it'll hurt the people!
Anti-trust laws ---->it'll hurt the people---
Better over-sight of over-the-counter trading---> it'll hurt the people!
More transparency in banking ----> it'll hurt the people!
A corrupt and slimey trillion dollar bail-out for the banks ---> it'll help the people!
A reduction in multi-million bonuses for CEOs who have brought on the financial crisis---> no way, it'll hurt the people!
A bail-out for millions of homeowners who are under-water or foreclosed on---> no way, it'll hurt the people!
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Old 05-14-2013, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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People have literally been brain-washed by corporate propoganda. The corporate financial blood-sucking leeches are great at making anything that will benefit them sound like it will benefit the populace.

Regulations to protect people against banks ---> it'll hurt the people!
Anti-trust laws ---->it'll hurt the people---
Better over-sight of over-the-counter trading---> it'll hurt the people!
More transparency in banking ----> it'll hurt the people!
A corrupt and slimey trillion dollar bail-out for the banks ---> it'll help the people!
A reduction in multi-million bonuses for CEOs who have brought on the financial crisis---> no way, it'll hurt the people!
A bail-out for millions of homeowners who are under-water or foreclosed on---> no way, it'll hurt the people!
I don't believe all of these. Smaller bonuses, I am all for and sure transparency in banking would be good. The issue is with a lot of the for other issues if we do (or do not) do those actions, it can create more problems than not doing (or doing) the action.
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Old 05-14-2013, 05:44 PM
 
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Here's an interesting question for you..

How many retirement plans have shares or interest in insurance companies and/or healthcare industry, and what would happen to all their combined incomes if "for profit" insurance companies went away?

Here's some of the answer, MOST state and federal retirement..

Vanguard Health Care Fund (VGHCX) | US News Best Mutual Funds

The Daring Portfolio: Eight Funds That Fly High | Wealth & Retirement

Best Health Mutual Funds | US News Best Funds

Removing the healthcare industry from "for profit", hurts more than the healthcare industry, it will hit the pockets of over 75% of all retirement portfolios, maybe even YOURS?
There are tons of companies for mutual funds to invest in. The benefit to the U.S.A. from getting rid of the health insurance companies would far outweigh any losses.
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Old 05-14-2013, 05:51 PM
 
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you do realize that before obamacare, insurance companies were required to pay out a minimum of 65% of insurance premium dollars on claims right? as i have said before, get rid of the excessive regulations, and get government out of the way, and health care costs, and thus health insurance premiums, will come down substantially.


Yes, and now under Obamacare it is 80 or 85 %. Quite an improvement wouldn't you say? And because many companies couldn't meet that 80 % cut-off they are being forced to send refunds of millions of dollars to American consumers. Oh, what a terrible thing---actual people benefiting instead of a corporation.
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Old 05-14-2013, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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It is pretty obvious that the Bush and Obama Administrations have been very kind to big business interests. TARP, low tax rates, low interest rates,etc. Why don't businesses want to hire people in the country that saved their asses?

Simple question. Discuss.
Because the crop of potential candidates aren't qualified?
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Old 05-15-2013, 03:23 AM
bUU
 
Location: Florida
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Yep, like this government who demands higher and higher taxes. Instead of the money circulating through the economy it goes straight to the government coffers.
And vanishes?

Get a grip. Make an argument for or against government spending, if you will, but don't deny that taxes go to cover the costs of government spending. It just makes your comment look totally unhinged.

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What I am saying is why enact a law that will bankrupt people because you will either be forced to pay a tax penalty if you cannot get insurance because you make enough.
When you realize that your comment self-contradictory, get back to us.

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The fact is the good from Obamacare will be outweighted by the bad soon enough.
The fact is the bad from ACA will be outweighted by the good soon enough.

Wow. That was easy.
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Old 05-15-2013, 04:46 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Default It's pretty obvious you know nothing about business.

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It is pretty obvious that the Bush and Obama Administrations have been very kind to big business interests. TARP, low tax rates, low interest rates,etc. Why don't businesses want to hire people in the country that saved their asses?

Simple question. Discuss.
If you knew anything at all about business, you wouldn't ask stupid questions like this. The purpose of being in business isn't to hire people. People go into business to make money.
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