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Old 05-13-2013, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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so your plan is universal healthcare. how would you pay for it? what kind of regulation would you be wanting? and what kind of costs are we talking about?



anytime you increase the cost of doing business, employers are going to find a way to cut those costs to the bone if they can. that usually means cutting employees one way or another, and not hiring when things improve, but rather get the most out of the employees left.
Actually you answered your own question with the second half. If you remove the cost of healthcare from the employer and place it on the shoulders of the country and all of its citizens, you would reduce the cost of doing business, which would be good for employers and make it easier for people to start a business because they wouldnt have to worry about losing their healthcare just to start a business.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:44 AM
 
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During the recession corporate terrorists learned that they can pare their workforce down to a minimum, and over-work them to death, and make even more profits.

Now, even though their coffers of profits are literally over-flowing, they will happily funnel the extra money into even higher salaries for their top executives instead of hiring back the necessary workers they need.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:49 AM
 
Location: USA
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Then who is and where are they.
Small business owners and entrepreneurs. CEO's if they started their business or innovated it, creating more jobs.
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Old 05-13-2013, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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Actually you answered your own question with the second half. If you remove the cost of healthcare from the employer and place it on the shoulders of the country and all of its citizens, you would reduce the cost of doing business, which would be good for employers and make it easier for people to start a business because they wouldnt have to worry about losing their healthcare just to start a business.
Great post because it is so true.
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Old 05-13-2013, 03:12 PM
 
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During the recession corporate terrorists learned that they can pare their workforce down to a minimum, and over-work them to death, and make even more profits.

Now, even though their coffers of profits are literally over-flowing, they will happily funnel the extra money into even higher salaries for their top executives instead of hiring back the necessary workers they need.
Cool!
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Old 05-13-2013, 03:16 PM
 
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Cool!

Whereas isn't it funny that with their immoral, corrupt, and greedy actions the bankers and financial industry terrorists who nearly brought the country to the edge of financial ruin continued to get huge salaries and out-size bonuses, and now that they are doing well, they get huge salaries and out-size bonuses. It looks like the only people who suffer during a recession are the little people.
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Old 05-13-2013, 03:21 PM
 
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It is pretty obvious that the Bush and Obama Administrations have been very kind to big business interests. TARP, low tax rates, low interest rates,etc. Why don't businesses want to hire people in the country that saved their asses?

Simple question. Discuss.

If you spray a plant with round-up, it will probably have a hard time growing.

When the dems stop "spraying" with Obamacare, higher income taxes, high corporate taxes, increased EPA regulations and refusal to explore energy on federal lands, then perhaps we will have a recovery.

I thought that libs did not care about incomes, personal wealth, and jobs and were more concerned with abortion and gay marriage? Isn't that what you voted for?

If you don't like the poor economy, you should have voted for someone else. As you voted for Obama, I think you should probably not be in a position to complain about the economy.
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Old 05-13-2013, 04:25 PM
 
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Actually you answered your own question with the second half. If you remove the cost of healthcare from the employer and place it on the shoulders of the country and all of its citizens, you would reduce the cost of doing business, which would be good for employers and make it easier for people to start a business because they wouldnt have to worry about losing their healthcare just to start a business.
so you want higher taxes on the people? dont forget that most small businesses file their taxes on the standard 1040 form, which means they would be paying those taxes as well. also remember that when you take money out of the pockets of the people, they tend to spend less money, which means less money going into the economy as a whole.
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Old 05-13-2013, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Actually you answered your own question with the second half. If you remove the cost of healthcare from the employer and place it on the shoulders of the country and all of its citizens, you would reduce the cost of doing business, which would be good for employers and make it easier for people to start a business because they wouldnt have to worry about losing their healthcare just to start a business.
Moreover, every employer will be on the same playing field. There won't be any perverse incentives to cut employee health care.
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Old 05-13-2013, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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so you want higher taxes on the people? dont forget that most small businesses file their taxes on the standard 1040 form, which means they would be paying those taxes as well. also remember that when you take money out of the pockets of the people, they tend to spend less money, which means less money going into the economy as a whole.
Okay, I guess you would rather have healthcare be the responsibility of the employer and have them shoulder the brunt of the cost making it harder for business owners to compete, expand, and start up.
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