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Old 06-01-2013, 05:43 AM
 
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Warren Buffet has a 11% tax rate.
Americans who make $90,000 a year have a 28% tax rate.
That is likely due to capital gains taxes. But even if it isn't.

How would increasing income taxes resolve that problem? You are just making the system even more unfair for the people who can not lobby for lower taxes.

 
Old 06-01-2013, 05:44 AM
 
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Democrats and liberals consistently make the mistake of thinking that conservatives want to discuss public policy.

They don't care about public policy. So making the case that many European nations have enacted austerity measures which have hurt their economies is irrelevant to conservatives.

To conservatives, European nations are all socialist, are all failing for the exact same reasons, and it is all because of socialism. In their analysis, conservatives make no distinction between nations, the different reasons why individual nations' economies are struggling.

For conservatives, this discussion is about identity in the most simplistic and crude of manners. Capitalism is freedom, and socialism isn't and that is how they want to think about Europe. No nuance, no acknowledgment of reality.

conservatives continue to drift further and further away from reality.
 
Old 06-01-2013, 05:49 AM
 
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Democrats and liberals consistently make the mistake of thinking that conservatives want to discuss public policy.

They don't care about public policy. So making the case that many European nations have enacted austerity measures which have hurt their economies is irrelevant to conservatives.

To conservatives, European nations are all socialist, are all failing for the exact same reasons, and it is all because of socialism. In their analysis, conservatives make no distinction between nations, the different reasons why individual nations' economies are struggling.

For conservatives, this discussion is about identity in the most simplistic and crude of manners. Capitalism is freedom, and socialism isn't and that is how they want to think about Europe. No nuance, no acknowledgment of reality.

conservatives continue to drift further and further away from reality.
for liberals, they compare european countries to a country that exports jobs, and imports illegal labor. in other words, apples and oranges.
 
Old 06-01-2013, 05:49 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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what is "rush radio?" and what is "fox news?" is it a news channel specifically for foxes? or is it a news channel that employs good looking women? I'll have to check it out some time. meanwhile, you have some math errors to explain.
Scientists call them "corporate propaganda."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSAzYWmsiwI


But Rush radio says there is something called "the four corners of deceit."
Rush radio says that science and universities can no longer be trusted (because they are lying for the left.)

The Big Apple: Four Corners of Deceit (government, academia, science and media)


Rush radio says we can not trust scientists or universities (and you say we can't trust economists.)

Who do you think we can trust ??
 
Old 06-01-2013, 05:51 AM
 
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Scientists call them "corporate propaganda."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSAzYWmsiwI


But Rush radio says there is something called "the four corners of deceit."
Rush radio says that science and universities can no longer be trusted (because they are lying for the left.)

The Big Apple: Four Corners of Deceit (government, academia, science and media)


Rush radio says we can not trust scientists, or universities (and you say we can't trust economists.)
which university taught you that $27,000=$170,000,000?
 
Old 06-01-2013, 05:58 AM
 
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They don't care about public policy. So making the case that many European nations have enacted austerity measures which have hurt their economies is irrelevant to conservatives.
No it isn't. But it is stupid, because it's not like countries like Greece had any option. They run out of money. If you as a household run out of money, then you got to cut.

Why don't liberals understand that countries in Europe did not enact austerity from free will. They were forced to enact austerity because no one was willing to borrow them money.

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To conservatives, European nations are all socialist, are all failing for the exact same reasons, and it is all because of socialism. In their analysis, conservatives make no distinction between nations, the different reasons why individual nations' economies are struggling.
And liberals think Scandinavia is the most left wing section of Europe, even though it isn't.

Also, no countries in Europe are socialist. Many are social democratic.

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For conservatives, this discussion is about identity in the most simplistic and crude of manners. Capitalism is freedom, and socialism isn't and that is how they want to think about Europe. No nuance, no acknowledgment of reality.

conservatives continue to drift further and further away from reality.
Also, it sounds like what you really want to say is Republicans. There are some Democrats who are conservative too. Does your analysis apply for them too?
 
Old 06-01-2013, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Do you think the socialist turd in the WH and the left will learn that socialism doesn't work---"NO"

Record unemployment, low inflation underline Europe's pain | Reuters

Don't worry. They will just increase taxes on the "rich" and everything will be OK.
 
Old 06-01-2013, 06:01 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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which university taught you that $27,000=$170,000,000?
You learned all the crap you're saying above from Rush radio's "only the rich pay taxes" speeches.

Only the Rich Pay Taxes - The Rush Limbaugh Show


BE VERY CAREFUL READING THE ABOVE LINK !!!

Remember billionaires have a 17% federal tax rate.
And Americans who make $90,000 have a 28% federal tax rate.

The Rush radio scheme above gets its (victims) to believe, that its unfair that billionaires send larger checks to the IRS, than regular Americans do.
 
Old 06-01-2013, 06:05 AM
 
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These sources clearly show someone making 90,000 has a 28% tax rate.


Warren Buffet has a 11% tax rate.
Americans who make $90,000 a year have a 28% tax rate.
Lies, lies and deceit.

You are comparing apples and oranges.

No family with 90k income pays 28%.

Even a high school kid knows how to compute taxes.
 
Old 06-01-2013, 06:06 AM
 
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You learned all the crap you're saying above from Rush radio's "only the rich pay taxes" speeches.

Only the Rich Pay Taxes - The Rush Limbaugh Show


BE VERY CAREFUL READING THE ABOVE LINK !!!

Remember billionaires have a 17% federal tax rate.
And Americans who make $90,000 have a 28% federal tax rate.

The Rush radio scheme above gets its (victims) to believe, that its unfair that billionaires send larger checks to the IRS than regular Americans do.
weren't you claiming previously that people who make $90k were paying more in taxes? in order to learn something, I must first be familiar with the "teacher." I have no clue what "rush radio" is. if by learning crap, you are referring to simple mathematics, I am guilty.
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