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Old 05-31-2013, 08:32 PM
 
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"Kill whitey"? I want to kill myself? Where do you come up with this stuff? It has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted. Talk about projecting.

Everyone knows about liberal white guilt. It's not so far fetched you know.

Anyways, you agreed with him about his theory that Anglo-Saxons did it all. That completely ignores the fact that those countries (now considered "Eurozone Distressed") were already in trouble before the crisis and they in fact sought out ways to lie to their people and the Eurozone so that they wouldn't be punished.

What do you think the purpose of CDS was?

 
Old 05-31-2013, 08:50 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Do you think the socialist turd in the WH and the left will learn that socialism doesn't work---"NO"

Record unemployment, low inflation underline Europe's pain | Reuters
Socialism is an economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production.
European countries are capitalists, they are not socialists.

But some countries in Europe are "social-capitalists."
Switzerland is a social-capitalist country, and they beat Americas butt in everything.

You live in such a fantasy world. Social-capitalist countries in Europe have better economies than America, higher incomes, less debt, longer vacations, they live longer, scientists say they are happier, they are cleaner, (like I said they beat Americas BUTT in every way.)
 
Old 05-31-2013, 11:26 PM
 
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Socialism is an economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production.
European countries are capitalists, they are not socialists.
Actually the correct name for the system they prefer in Europe is the social-democratic system.

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But some countries in Europe are "social-capitalists."
Switzerland is a social-capitalist country, and they beat Americas butt in everything.
Actually Switzerland is the most right wing country in Europe, and has significanlty lower government spending than the US. They also beat the US in economic freedom

Government spending.
France: 56.64%
Greece: 54.75%
United States: 41.70%
Switzerland: 33.80%


Economic Freedom:
Switzerland: 81.0
United States: 76.0
France: 64.1
Greece: 55.4

In fact I will argue Switzerland is more capitalist than the US. But still, they have lower income inequality, less poverty, fewer social problems, and lower crime. As argued before, the main causes of the income inequality in the US are not do to socialist or capitalist policies, but other issues such as quality of education and immigration.

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You live in such a fantasy world. Social-capitalist countries in Europe have better economies than America, higher incomes, less debt, longer vacations, they live longer, scientists say they are happier, they are cleaner, (like I said they beat Americas BUTT in every way.)
Yeah, France, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Italy are kicking ass
 
Old 06-01-2013, 12:27 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Actually the correct name for the system they prefer in Europe is the social-democratic system.


Actually Switzerland is the most right wing country in Europe, and has significanlty lower government spending than the US. They also beat the US in economic freedom

Government spending.
France: 56.64%
Greece: 54.75%
United States: 41.70%
Switzerland: 33.80%


Economic Freedom:
Switzerland: 81.0
United States: 76.0
France: 64.1
Greece: 55.4

In fact I will argue Switzerland is more capitalist than the US. But still, they have lower income inequality, less poverty, fewer social problems, and lower crime. As argued before, the main causes of the income inequality in the US are not do to socialist or capitalist policies, but other issues such as quality of education and immigration.


Yeah, France, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Italy are kicking ass
Switzerland has a progressive tax system (they tax the hell out of the rich.)
Switzerland gives its poor citizens (huge) tax cuts.
Switzerland has big time corporate regulation.
ex.ex.ex.


You know damn well US republicans are against, giving the rich higher tax rates than everyone else.
You know damn well US republicans are against giving poor people tax cuts.
And you know damn well US republicans are against corporate regulation.

Switzerland is the 100% opposite of American conservatism.
(and yet you manipulate/lie, and claim Switzerland as a US republican like country.)

Last edited by chad3; 06-01-2013 at 01:23 AM..
 
Old 06-01-2013, 12:45 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
Actually the correct name for the system they prefer in Europe is the social-democratic system.


Actually Switzerland is the most right wing country in Europe, and has significanlty lower government spending than the US. They also beat the US in economic freedom

Government spending.
France: 56.64%
Greece: 54.75%
United States: 41.70%
Switzerland: 33.80%


Economic Freedom:
Switzerland: 81.0
United States: 76.0
France: 64.1
Greece: 55.4

In fact I will argue Switzerland is more capitalist than the US. But still, they have lower income inequality, less poverty, fewer social problems, and lower crime. As argued before, the main causes of the income inequality in the US are not do to socialist or capitalist policies, but other issues such as quality of education and immigration.


Yeah, France, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Italy are kicking ass
College is also free in Switzerland (the government pays for its citizens college education.)

How would Americas conservatives feel about our federal government paying for everyone's college tuition?
Answer: US republicans would call it socialism/communism, and say we want government out of our lives.

If Switzerland's laws were brought to America, Americas conservatives would cry like little children.

Who Needs College? The Swiss Opt for Vocational School | TIME.com

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Old 06-01-2013, 01:09 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
Actually the correct name for the system they prefer in Europe is the social-democratic system.


Actually Switzerland is the most right wing country in Europe, and has significanlty lower government spending than the US. They also beat the US in economic freedom

Government spending.
France: 56.64%
Greece: 54.75%
United States: 41.70%
Switzerland: 33.80%


Economic Freedom:
Switzerland: 81.0
United States: 76.0
France: 64.1
Greece: 55.4

In fact I will argue Switzerland is more capitalist than the US. But still, they have lower income inequality, less poverty, fewer social problems, and lower crime. As argued before, the main causes of the income inequality in the US are not do to socialist or capitalist policies, but other issues such as quality of education and immigration.


Yeah, France, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Italy are kicking ass
And then you lie and say, Switzerland's low government spending is because of conservatives.

(D) J. Carter had trivial deficits and debt.
(R) R. Reagan created huge deficits and debt (by lowering rich peoples tax rates.)
(D) B. Clinton created surpluses, and he was paying down our national debt (by reversing Reagan's tax cuts for the rich.)

(R) GW Bush turned Clintons surpluses into huge deficits and dangerous national debt (by lowering rich peoples tax rates.)

(D) B. Obama has cut GW Bush's debt growth rate in half. But republicans will not let him tax the rich (like Switzerland does.)

http://www.skymachines.com/US-Nation...ental-Term.htm




The following link shows how Switzerland feels about US republicans.

George W. Bush cancels Switzerland visit over fears of arrest on torture charges | Mail Online

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Old 06-01-2013, 01:16 AM
 
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How do you account for the fact then, that the Soviets excelled at sport, chess, military equipment, were the first in space etc., etc..
Competition.

They were kicking our ass in the space race and they were selling first-rate military hardware to half the world. Why? Because they were competing directly with the United States. But they couldn't make a television set that didn't explode. This was because there was one company making TV sets that sold them only to the Soviet population with a complete lock on that market.

Yugoslavia made a fair amount of decent stuff back in the day because they had access to Western markets.
 
Old 06-01-2013, 01:42 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
Actually the correct name for the system they prefer in Europe is the social-democratic system.


Actually Switzerland is the most right wing country in Europe, and has significanlty lower government spending than the US. They also beat the US in economic freedom

Government spending.
France: 56.64%
Greece: 54.75%
United States: 41.70%
Switzerland: 33.80%


Economic Freedom:
Switzerland: 81.0
United States: 76.0
France: 64.1
Greece: 55.4

In fact I will argue Switzerland is more capitalist than the US. But still, they have lower income inequality, less poverty, fewer social problems, and lower crime. As argued before, the main causes of the income inequality in the US are not do to socialist or capitalist policies, but other issues such as quality of education and immigration.


Yeah, France, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Italy are kicking ass
I apologize for my rudeness in this thread. I wanted to post the following post I made in another forum.
Its about how Switzerland uses conservative and liberal policies at the same time.

Sorry for not being more civilized/honest? in my previous posts,
Chad.





I have always been fascinated with Switzerland, they are (arguably) the best performing country in the world. They have a high standard of living, a super strong economy, very low deficits and debt, they have very low unemployment rates, they have happy people, they take long vacations, they have long life spans, they have very little pollution, and they have very little destruction of their ecosystems.


Switzerland (arguably the best performing country in the world), uses policies like Americas "left" and "right" at the same time.

1.) They have super low corporate tax rates, so business can thrive.
2.) They have a progressive personal tax system, so the government has money to fund needed services, but the rich citizens do not complain.
3.) They deeply care about medical services for all citizens, so everyone gets full health care.
4.) All males 18-30 must serve in the military, and they must always have a gun in their house, and this satisfies their conservative minded citizens.
5.) They have a strong conservative presence that maintains their countries traditions.
6.) They don't overspend and keep their government as small as possible.
7.) They recycle everything, and don't pollute/destroy their ecosystems, and this satisfies their environmentalist minded citizens.
8.) They pay for any citizens college costs, and this allows all citizens to follow their dreams, regardless of their parents income.
9.) They regulate large corporations so they can't overcharge, pollute, or sell dangerous products.
10.) And somehow, there is no difference in social respect, whether you are rich or poor.


I now notice how America's political parties constantly fight. And in America each political party believes, only their side is right.
I must admit I was once one of those people, because I was hurt and shocked, when I first learned of Switzerland's super low corporate tax rates.

Its a shame that America's political parties, are unable to see the important points each side makes.

It seems that America's political "left" and "right" are fully divided, and in a fight. But the way I see it, we are all part of this human group. And I have always believed, that every person has something important to offer.


I ask this question, do countries who's policies, reflect a US political "left" and "right" at the same, outperform countries that do not?

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Old 06-01-2013, 02:25 AM
 
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Yeah whatever...Greece and Spain have jobless rates above 25%
Uhm..Spain barely has a welfare system to speak of. Yes, very socialist.
 
Old 06-01-2013, 02:33 AM
 
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Switzerland has a progressive tax system (they tax the hell out of the rich.)
America top marginal tax rate: 55.8 - 42.5% depending on the state
Switzerland top marginal tax rate: 10.6 - 41.5% depending on the canton

So no Switzerland do not tax the hell out of the rich. Switzerland is one of the countries with the lowest taxes on the rich.

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Switzerland gives its poor citizens (huge) tax cuts.
America does the same.
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