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Old 06-05-2013, 10:50 AM
 
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The TRG killed a whole family in my hometown when I was growing up. A guy from my school was involved.


This is an interesting thread. Instead of becoming a racist cess pool, people should think what its like to live in some of these neighborhoods and to go to some of these schools.


The school featured in the video is only one of hundreds of "tough" high schools in this country.
There are rough areas all over. Alot of people don't trying to understand what it's like for the persons living in those neighborhoods. There is no empathy. And the lacking of empathy is all over, rich, poor, Black,White, Hispanic,male, female, etc.

I watched and I thought about some of the students who were in there, trying to get an education, and having to basically survive. The students who want to learn, they either need for that school to became safer, or those kids need a better place to go to school.
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Old 06-05-2013, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Japan
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...these schools don't take on the characteristics of poor schools in the inner city, because middle class and upper middle class parents would never allow this. however, often in these schools discipline is applied unevenly. minority and lower income students are more likely to be suspended or expelled.
And you would prefer that these schools use some kind of quota system to even up suspensions and expulsions by race and class?
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Old 06-05-2013, 10:51 AM
 
Location: USA
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The big issue to me is that we let these neighborhoods become so bad in the 1st place.



The Drug War coupled with unemployment devastated some neighborhoods in this country and instead of providing the community with help, they lock everyone up and treat the productive citizens like criminals.
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Old 06-05-2013, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Suffolk, Va
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Why? That isn't even true now. There's no way the school in the OP gives its students a learning opportunity that's equal to that of a lower-spending private school, or even that of a lower-spending public school in a less violent environment.

If students want to escape the dead-end violence, let them earn their way out by being admitted to better schools regardless of whether they're public or private. Let the money follow the student. Those who AREN'T interested in learning make the choice to wallow in their prison-like school environments such as that in the OP.
As do I, but they sure as hell aren't the ones who went to schools like the one in the OP.
I said they should not that they are.
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Old 06-05-2013, 10:56 AM
 
Location: East St. Paul 651 forever (or North St. Paul) .
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you can't get a doctorate without a hs diploma or equivalent.
I did not know that.
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Old 06-05-2013, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Japan
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The big issue to me is that we let these neighborhoods become so bad in the 1st place.



The Drug War coupled with unemployment devastated some neighborhoods in this country and instead of providing the community with help, they lock everyone up and treat the productive citizens like criminals.
Letting the convicts from those neighborhoods out of jail early would lead to better communities and schools?
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Old 06-05-2013, 10:57 AM
 
Location: USA
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There are rough areas all over. Alot of people don't trying to understand what it's like for the persons living in those neighborhoods. There is no empathy. And the lacking of empathy is all over, rich, poor, Black,White, Hispanic,male, female, etc.

I watched and I thought about some of the students who were in there, trying to get an education, and having to basically survive. The students who want to learn, they either need for that school to became safer, or those kids need a better place to go to school.
My high school wasn't nearly that bad, but we definitely had our share of violence. I was lucky enough to be a bigger guy and a star football player so I avoided most of the trouble. Other kids though were constantly picked on, beat up, teased.

At my school, especially as a black male, it was "not cool" to be in the AP classes or to make good grades. Fights happened almost every other day in junior high and I even remember teachers getting attacked. By the time we were in high school, the Monday morning topics discussed at school wer "who was beefing with who" or "who shot at who" over the weekend.


The problem is pretty complex and deep IMO as far as solving but it IS a solvable problem. The problem IMO is that not enough people care about the problem to fix it.




People like to make fun of a certain sect of society but don't understand what its like to be in that environment. You have to break conformity to make it out. They also don't know what its lik
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Old 06-05-2013, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Suffolk, Va
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And you would prefer that these schools use some kind of quota system to even up suspensions and expulsions by race and class?
no, I prefer that punishment is applied equally to rich and poor, white and black. it is not.

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Old 06-05-2013, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Allendale MI
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If people want to get rid of the gang problem you need to cut gangs supply of youth.
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Old 06-05-2013, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Suffolk, Va
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The big issue to me is that we let these neighborhoods become so bad in the 1st place.



The Drug War coupled with unemployment devastated some neighborhoods in this country and instead of providing the community with help, they lock everyone up and treat the productive citizens like criminals.
^^^^^^yep. that's been a running theme in this thread. somehow even the kids who are trying to get an education are creating their own misery because they are there and are the same color as the bad kids.
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