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You currently pay more than you should for less having healthcare tied to employment. To pay for Public Option would be through a tax based on your income level, and your employer wouldn't have to deduct money from your pay check to pay for a weaker healthcare insurance.
Thus is why we currently have an inefficient healthcare system.
absolutely false
the general public generally pays 25% of the premium of insurance
ie my aetna plan....I pay 180 every pay period....4680 a year
MY EMPLOYEER pays 75% of the premium....14k
for a toatal premium of nearly 20k
under singlepayer...the employeer pays NOTHING...the TAXPAYER pays itt all
singlepayer is great for CORPORATIONs, sucks for the INDIVIDUAL PERSON
yes an individual currently pays.....about 25% of a premium...but that same indivual (if they are a taxpayer) will end up paying 3-5 times as much under singlepayer
profits of insurance have NOTHING to do with it
and most hospitals are not making much profit...infact many are closing...many doctors are closing thier doors
Ventu Medical Group has filed for bankruptcy, closing its doors to more than 1,000 patients.
all I can say is things are expensive
for example the average hospital uses a lot of electricity...about 400,000 a month...thats 5 million dollars in electric costs yearly.....you are not going to cut that piece of overhead
when you go to the local doctor and pay him/her 100..its not 100 going into their pocket
they have lots of overhead costs:
rent/lease/mortgage
property taxes
electric costs
equipment costs(and many pieces of equipment are not even made here)
cleaning costs
supply costs
personnel costs
etc
right now medicare/medicaid pay VERY LOW reembusment costs to the providers(doctors)...and many doctors are opting out...why because the money they get back doesnt cover their overhead...and the government is VERY SLOW at paying the doctors
320 million overweight people will be quite costly
and let's not forget: Obesity rates among OECD nations increased in recent years, with the highest rate in the U.S. at 34.3% -- which means one in 3 Americans is by definition obese.
number of americans getting cancer (new cases) per year 1.8 million for a total of 19 million people being treated (fighting) each year...each year at least 570,000 die from cancer
number of americans with heart desease: 26.2 million and of those
((Number of visits with heart disease as primary diagnosis: 16 million ))
((Number of discharges with heart disease as first-listed diagnosis: 4.2 million))
number of americans in nursing homes: 2 million
More than 25 million Americans have significant vision loss.
(((hmmm more than 25 million americans are blind or going blind.....that's more than norway,finland, denmark,switzerland,and austria COMBINED TOTAL population....)))
number of americans with diabetes: 26 million
mumber of americans with asthma: 20 million....Each day 11 Americans die from asthma.
while some of those may overlap...look at those numbers 19,26,25,26,20...that's 116 million with MAJOR health problem,,costly problems......we will ALWAYS be the largest spender in the world...we have the 3rd hightest population in the world (next to china and india) and we have more people (total, not a percentage) with major problems than any other country in europe.....I just showed you at least 116 million people with cancer,heart,blindness, diabetes, asthma.......that's more than france and great britian COMBINED for their total populations.
singlepayer will not control these costs
how are you going to control the cost of medical equipment(mri or xray machines, etc)??????most xray machine are made in denmark
how are you going to control the cost of the rising electric bills the doctors/hospitals are facing????
how are you going to control the rising property tax/rent/mortgage that doctors face?????
how are you going to control the cost of supplies(gauze, plaster, silk, rubber, polystirene( a oil product)?????especially some supplies that arent even american
how are you going to control the cost of people salaries???? a maximum wage???
how they are going to control the employment costs for Doctors, nurses, technicians, hospital food operators, hospital linnon cleaning service, custodial services, medical transcribers........are you going to 'nationalize' every profession that is even remotely connected to medicine????
how are they going to control malpractice INSURANCE COSTS?????
dont you get it... medicine (like anyother SERVICE) costs money,,(,money that our government doesnt have)
I asked a simple question.....HOW are you going to control costs OF MEDICINE, not INSURANCE..........because you CANT...and it will get worse and worse as inflation devalues our dollar
look at medicaid ( our quazi singleplayer) (federal AND state paid(so its a twopayer )it COSTS 320 BILLION FEDERAL dollars (have no clue what EACH of the states ends up chipping in on TOP of that) just to cover about 30-40 million people( and that's NOT the most costly demographic(the elderly))...so to cover the 320 MILLION people in our population..at that rate, would be around 3-4 trillion..that's why I give a larger window of 2-5 trillion...and remember many , many doctors are refusing to take medicare/caid because IT DOEST PAY ENOUGH to cover THEIR bills
and who will get hit with that cost..the taxpayer...the WORKER(according to the IRS 110 million taxfilers average year.(and of those 47% get nearly everything back and those are the LOWERS earners)..but using the 105 million to divide into the 2-5 trillion would cost the average taxpayer 20-60k a year..can you as a taxpaying worker of poor/working/middleclass afford a 20k annual bill on top of all your other taxes???? I certainly cant
yes an individual currently pays.....about 25% of a premium...but that same indivual (if they are a taxpayer) will end up paying 3-5 times as much under singlepayer
profits of insurance have NOTHING to do with it
and most hospitals are not making much profit...infact many are closing...many doctors are closing thier doors
Ventu Medical Group has filed for bankruptcy, closing its doors to more than 1,000 patients.
all I can say is things are expensive
for example the average hospital uses a lot of electricity...about 400,000 a month...thats 5 million dollars in electric costs yearly.....you are not going to cut that piece of overhead
when you go to the local doctor and pay him/her 100..its not 100 going into their pocket
they have lots of overhead costs:
rent/lease/mortgage
property taxes
electric costs
equipment costs(and many pieces of equipment are not even made here)
cleaning costs
supply costs
personnel costs
etc
right now medicare/medicaid pay VERY LOW reembusment costs to the providers(doctors)...and many doctors are opting out...why because the money they get back doesnt cover their overhead...and the government is VERY SLOW at paying the doctors
320 million overweight people will be quite costly
and let's not forget: Obesity rates among OECD nations increased in recent years, with the highest rate in the U.S. at 34.3% -- which means one in 3 Americans is by definition obese.
number of americans getting cancer (new cases) per year 1.8 million for a total of 19 million people being treated (fighting) each year...each year at least 570,000 die from cancer
number of americans with heart desease: 26.2 million and of those
((Number of visits with heart disease as primary diagnosis: 16 million ))
((Number of discharges with heart disease as first-listed diagnosis: 4.2 million))
number of americans in nursing homes: 2 million
More than 25 million Americans have significant vision loss.
(((hmmm more than 25 million americans are blind or going blind.....that's more than norway,finland, denmark,switzerland,and austria COMBINED TOTAL population....)))
number of americans with diabetes: 26 million
mumber of americans with asthma: 20 million....Each day 11 Americans die from asthma.
while some of those may overlap...look at those numbers 19,26,25,26,20...that's 116 million with MAJOR health problem,,costly problems......we will ALWAYS be the largest spender in the world...we have the 3rd hightest population in the world (next to china and india) and we have more people (total, not a percentage) with major problems than any other country in europe.....I just showed you at least 116 million people with cancer,heart,blindness, diabetes, asthma.......that's more than france and great britian COMBINED for their total populations.
singlepayer will not control these costs
how are you going to control the cost of medical equipment(mri or xray machines, etc)??????most xray machine are made in denmark
how are you going to control the cost of the rising electric bills the doctors/hospitals are facing????
how are you going to control the rising property tax/rent/mortgage that doctors face?????
how are you going to control the cost of supplies(gauze, plaster, silk, rubber, polystirene( a oil product)?????especially some supplies that arent even american
how are you going to control the cost of people salaries???? a maximum wage???
how they are going to control the employment costs for Doctors, nurses, technicians, hospital food operators, hospital linnon cleaning service, custodial services, medical transcribers........are you going to 'nationalize' every profession that is even remotely connected to medicine????
how are they going to control malpractice INSURANCE COSTS?????
dont you get it... medicine (like anyother SERVICE) costs money,,(,money that our government doesnt have)
I asked a simple question.....HOW are you going to control costs OF MEDICINE, not INSURANCE..........because you CANT...and it will get worse and worse as inflation devalues our dollar
look at medicaid ( our quazi singleplayer) (federal AND state paid(so its a twopayer )it COSTS 320 BILLION FEDERAL dollars (have no clue what EACH of the states ends up chipping in on TOP of that) just to cover about 30-40 million people( and that's NOT the most costly demographic(the elderly))...so to cover the 320 MILLION people in our population..at that rate, would be around 3-4 trillion..that's why I give a larger window of 2-5 trillion...and remember many , many doctors are refusing to take medicare/caid because IT DOEST PAY ENOUGH to cover THEIR bills
and who will get hit with that cost..the taxpayer...the WORKER(according to the IRS 110 million taxfilers average year.(and of those 47% get nearly everything back and those are the LOWERS earners)..but using the 105 million to divide into the 2-5 trillion would cost the average taxpayer 20-60k a year..can you as a taxpaying worker of poor/working/middleclass afford a 20k annual bill on top of all your other taxes???? I certainly cant
First of all, people shouldn't be tied to their jobs in order to receive health care.
Secondly, do you really think our hospitals don't have overhead like personnel and electricity? We manage, and the hospitals are not powered by hamster wheels.
Thirdly, with single payer, everyone pays in. Since you have a much bigger population, you'll have more people paying into the system.
Are you really saying that Americans are so much sicker than the populations of other countries? Diabetes, sure, because you're a lot fatter, but our single payer does a really good job with education and prevention. As it should be.
First of all, people shouldn't be tied to their jobs in order to receive health care.
Secondly, do you really think our hospitals don't have overhead like personnel and electricity? We manage, and the hospitals are not powered by hamster wheels.
Thirdly, with single payer, everyone pays in. Since you have a much bigger population, you'll have more people paying into the system.
Are you really saying that Americans are so much sicker than the populations of other countries? Diabetes, sure, because you're a lot fatter, but our single payer does a really good job with education and prevention. As it should be.
1. I agree people shouldnt be TIED to their jobs for health care...but right now THE JOB helps pay the BILL
2. I showed the hospitals having overhead...nearly 5 million in electrical costs alone, not even trying to add up the food costs, linnon costs, sanitation costs etc....this is some hospitals are closing or going out of business, or have MERGED
3. wrong...not EVERYONE pays in..only the taxpayers...which is less than 100 million of us...less than 1/3 of the population....sayimng everyone pays in when less than 1/3 are paying..is just a big fib
If USA citizens and residents want to leave with social healthcare drawbacks. U know. The longer waits. The extreme restrictions of which doctors they can see. Than so be it.
Americans basically want to have their cake and eat it also.
Go spend some time at the VA system and than spend some time at a private system.
Let me know how "efficient" the government system is. It's cheaper u know. I will give you that.
Go spend time in a German hospital where they do have universal healthcare and let me know what system looks better.
First of all, people shouldn't be tied to their jobs in order to receive health care.
Secondly, do you really think our hospitals don't have overhead like personnel and electricity? We manage, and the hospitals are not powered by hamster wheels.
Thirdly, with single payer, everyone pays in. Since you have a much bigger population, you'll have more people paying into the system.
Are you really saying that Americans are so much sicker than the populations of other countries? Diabetes, sure, because you're a lot fatter, but our single payer does a really good job with education and prevention. As it should be.
They are not. Anyone can go buy an individual plan on the open market.
It's that they cannot afford to foot the entire premium with their own money.
You have a bigger population but not everyone will pay in. You are assuming 100% financial contribution.
We have less than 50% paying Fed Income tax today.
I would expect the same for any type of Fed health insurance contribution.
Our population is increasing but they are at the bottom of the economic scale.
We're getting more poor than rich in this country.
How's the current government run healthcare systems doing today ?
Medicaid and medicare are the shining examples of what would be in store.
It sounds nice in reality for the countries that currently have a universal healthcare system. But it sounds like you prefer our current system where we have millions of Americans without insurance and a system that costs more for the people who do have insurance and is inefficient.
so you admit the senate was FILIBUSTER PROOF as all 60 of those votes were dumbocrats
Yes, the Senate had the 60 votes needed to pass AHCA without a Public Option, which is what we currently have. The Democrats were shy of a few votes for a filibuster proof bill with the Public Option added in.
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