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Old 07-21-2013, 12:39 PM
 
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that data is not increased as its more alreadily available .What police use it for is quickly access to the data on insurance;warrants on owner and registration being up to date. Its has long been available as it public record.
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Old 07-21-2013, 12:48 PM
 
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that data is not increased as its more alreadily available .What police use it for is quickly access to the data on insurance;warrants on owner and registration being up to date. Its has long been available as it public record.
I don't think you read the article. It is different, there are no limits on usage and it is being used for more than that. Increased from what? Over time the data has most certainly increased.
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Old 07-21-2013, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Just because real humans are involved doesn't mean real humans are being protected. Tech is just a tool. It is neither bad nor good.
I get that, but the fact that a certain number if humans have to necessarily be involved limits the amount of damage that can because unlike machines we have to eat, sleep, get paid somehow, etc.
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Old 07-21-2013, 02:15 PM
 
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I get that, but the fact that a certain number if humans have to necessarily be involved limits the amount of damage that can because unlike machines we have to eat, sleep, get paid somehow, etc.
While I would hope it would help, I have seen little to no evidence it does. There are humans making these decisions. For example, there are humans blowing up people remotely with joysticks and being paid to do so. They have incentives to do this.
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Old 07-21-2013, 03:54 PM
 
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Agreed. Something should be done.
Yes but seeing the amount of reprogrammed puppets in this country (To not care about things like this),NOTHING WILL BE DONE!!

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Old 07-21-2013, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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A license plate reader is just using information available to the public.
The "public" has access to database containing current locations of cars?
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Old 07-21-2013, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Someplace Wonderful
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Yes but they still have to have someone to write the IT programs, at a minimum, and someone to read the reports and issue orders on the basis of them. That is some comfort, although it's far from reassuring.
Please be assured, I am not trying to be condescending here. I just want to know how familiar you are with database construction, and with the common tools used to query those databases.

A database of license plates, time of day, GPS coords contains three fields, as I have laid out. If there is a bank robbery at some GPS location, it is not hard at all to initiate a query based upon time of day +/- 30 minutes and within, say, 500 yards of the bank. Easy cheesy.

New programs do not have to be written EVERY time. One can create a wizard. Microsoft has been doing that for years.... maybe decades.

I do not have to include all the DMV information in my own database. I can easily interface with the DMV to obtain that information. Again - standard interfaces, standard queries.

It aint all that hard at all.

Dont put your faith in security by obscurity. We have in place systems that Orwell never dreamed of, that were impossible just a decade or two ago. And believe me, when the Government decides you are a threat, they can find you. Far more easily than you can imagine.

Excuse me ... someone's knocking at my door...
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Old 07-21-2013, 07:07 PM
 
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A individual can go to DMV and get the same information by paying a fee for the work to get that public information; its all public information DMV keeps.In formation that is not public is very restricted. In reality people are building the biggest data base on themselves by using the internet.
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Old 07-22-2013, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Someplace Wonderful
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A individual can go to DMV and get the same information by paying a fee for the work to get that public information; its all public information DMV keeps.In formation that is not public is very restricted. In reality people are building the biggest data base on themselves by using the internet.
Here in California, last time I knew, a private citizen can obtain certain DMV information based on license plate, as you describe. If I were to make an inquiry, I would get the information and the person whose information I obtained would be notified that I (specifically) made an inquiry.

I dont recall that the same holds for Government and Police authorities. That is, I as an individual am not informed when the authorities inquire.
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Old 07-22-2013, 01:43 PM
 
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The buildup of data and tools to easily access massive data collections will continue unless something is done, which is unlikely, because of the value to many people, businesses, agencies, etc.

The examination and action of using the collected data need not be done in a classic query/search mode by a human (though some will be...).

Tools exist and will be improved that skim the data for various info, patterns, categories of data that will relieve many humans of doing 'the work' other than specifying the desired data and what to trigger/do/call/report the datas that meet the criteria. Then the people can choose to act or not. Actually they can and do tell the computers to do it...like send a ticket, or report to the feds, send a bill or credit card, or call for an audit or a towtruck etc. ad nauseaum.

If unfamiliar, fo a start, read a little about data mining Data Mining: What is Data Mining?
or (self refining "learning") neural networks What is neural network? definition and meaning to get some idea what this is like and where it can go as data stores, networks get bigger and processors get smaller, faster, 'smarter'.

Not that there is anything inherently wrong with that...
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