GOP Rep Supports Passing A Bill To Investigate Obama's Birth Certificate

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

That's policy, not law.

SCOTUS and 23 subsequent courts appear to be of the conviction otherwise.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

Logic fail. If that were true, there would never be a need for a separate native born citizen distinction as native born citizenship status precludes one from Constitutional eligibility and would therefore never be restored as such unless one failed to meet the criteria required for natural born citizen status.

And as we have repeatedly pointed out, there is no need. For whatever reason USCIS chooses to make the distinction, it's certainly not becuase they need to.

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

ETA: Note also that USCIS was specifically referring to only native-born citizens to begin with. USCIS then further classified native born citizens as native born OR natural born.

This is another bald faced lie. the USCIS rules are explicit that they are speaking of any woman "who had acquired citizenship at birth within or without the United States," not just native born women.

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

One can be a native born citizen but not a natural born citizen.

No. You have that exactly backwards.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

Which SCOTUS case decided POTUS eligibility? Cite it.

US v. Wong Kim Ark.

The opposing attorney knew it. The dissenting justice knew it. 23 subsequent courts know it. I know it.

What's keeping you?

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by _CARL_

But the presidential clause doesn't ask for a native Citizen to be president. It asks for a natural born Citizen.

And since all native born citizens are also natural born citizens, Obama is eligible.

Originally Posted by _CARL_

Obama's campaign website Fight The Smears during the 08 election stated he was native Citizen. Why they didn't put he was a natural born Citizen? I find that curious.

No reason. One made the point just as completely as the other.

[DC at the Ridge]

Originally Posted by _CARL_

But the presidential clause doesn't ask for a native Citizen to be president. It asks for a natural born Citizen. Obama's campaign website Fight The Smears during the 08 election stated he was native Citizen. Why they didn't put he was a natural born Citizen? I find that curious.


Carl

Because native-born citizens are a subset of natural-born citizens?

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge

Talk about logic fail.

On your part, yes.

One can be a natural-born citizen but not a native-born citizen.

That's not what USCIS is talking about. Review this post, complete with citations and links, again, very carefully:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/30933144-post647.html

USCIS was specifically referring to only native-born citizens to begin with. USCIS then further classified native born citizens as native born OR natural born.

One can be a native born citizen but not a natural born citizen. Hence, the OR and WHICHEVER in USCIS's statement.

What part, specifically, are you unclear on? That USCIS was referring to a section of law that referenced only native born citizens? Or that USCIS then separates native born citizens into either of two classifications: native born OR natural born?

[CaseyB]

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