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Old 08-09-2013, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
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No. It would be no different from fleeing after spray-painting something and have the police run him off the road and then celebrate over his mangled body. But your analogy was sort of close, it did involve fleeing, after all.
Actually there is a world of difference between what happened and chasing him and running him off the road. running him off the road is very likely to cause serious injury and possibly death. Using the Taser device very rarely causes injury or death
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Old 08-09-2013, 02:31 PM
 
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Preventing or stopping illegal activity when they can, and apprehending those who commit illegal acts, are in fact tasks with which most communities charge the police. The police did nothing wrong in chasing this guy down. They did what they are hired to do.
Chasing him down, no, they did not. Shooting a Taser gun at non-threatening, unarmed, skinny kid's chest, yes, they did.
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Old 08-09-2013, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
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Chasing him down, no, they did not. Shooting a Taser gun at non-threatening, unarmed, skinny kid's chest, yes, they did.
the story I read said that they chased him until he was cornered, and then instead of giving up he ran at them. they then shot him with the Taser device because that is generally accepted as a non harmful non-lethal way to incapacitate. you think it would have been better for one of these cops to stick out an arm and clothes line this kid as he tried to run past?
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Old 08-09-2013, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Just curious.

If the owner of the property being vandalized, you know, the guy who was going to have to pay for it, decided to defend his property and stabbed the guy and he died....

Then what?
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Old 08-09-2013, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
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Just curious.

If the owner of the property being vandalized, you know, the guy who was going to have to pay for it, decided to defend his property and stabbed the guy and he died....

Then what?
a fair question, but this is actually different. The police gave him a lawful order to stop. When he ran, they chased him. He then ran at them. They used something that is generally considered non lethal to stop him. It is a tragic accident that he died, but no one was using force of a level that was expected to kill anyone
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Old 08-09-2013, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Hmmm His family came here from Columbia and to show their gratitude Jr. Vandalizes buildings by tagging them. His respect for law was to defy the police and attempt to flee from arrest and then finally to charge at the police. A model citizen to be sure.
The taser is not considered a lethal weapon.
The word of the look out claims that there was a celebration. That is one person's word, the friend of the victim. I do believe I'll take the word of the police on this one.
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Old 08-09-2013, 04:23 PM
 
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Some people consider graffiti or 'tagging' to be a form of artistic expression. Not saying I agree, but that's why some people do it.
Clearly I was asking this concerning your talking out your ass.
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Old 08-09-2013, 05:16 PM
 
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From the article:

"They're all congratulating each other and all that," Souza said. "They were all clapping over his body and like giving high fives and laughing."

And since when is a vacant Mcdonalds public property?
Sadly this appears typical of sfl. Some of the most horrific police misconduct stories I have seen occur in sfl. I see no need for tazing in this instance. When you put someone down, taze etc...you risk their life. Better be a good reason. Spray painting hardly qualifies. Protecting life should be paramount. Who knows what the kid actually did? The kid and or his parents will receive a hefty bill for any medical you can bet.

How is this independent?
From article: Miami Beach said Friday it has asked the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) to conduct an independent review of the incident.
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Old 08-09-2013, 06:28 PM
 
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the story I read said that they chased him until he was cornered, and then instead of giving up he ran at them. they then shot him with the Taser device because that is generally accepted as a non harmful non-lethal way to incapacitate. you think it would have been better for one of these cops to stick out an arm and clothes line this kid as he tried to run past?
Yeah, I do. Tasers are potentially lethal, particularly when aimed at the chest. Israel Hernandez would most likely be alive today, if the officers had used their hands rather than the Taser.
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Old 08-09-2013, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
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Yeah, I do. Tasers are potentially lethal, particularly when aimed at the chest. Israel Hernandez would most likely be alive today, if the officers had used their hands rather than the Taser.
Statistically, they aren't dangerous. Statistically, they very rarely cause any lasting damage or death. They are recognized all over as a NON LETHAL alternative to deadly force like a firearm. Using that device is widely hailed as a preferred method of subduing someone. The police in this case used the proper restraint and took steps to apprehend without causing harm. In an unfortunate freak occurrence, this criminal died. But that was clearly not the intention, nor the expected result of the police officer's actions. You want to continue to find fault with the police, so you'll just never agree. But deep down, you know it's true.
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