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Old 08-14-2013, 03:51 PM
 
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None of what I posted is nonsense, although I am certain you would like to believe it to be. Everything I posted can be objectively verified as factual.

Since Presidents do not enact laws, and cannot be described as either "liberal" or "conservative" based upon the laws enacted by Congress, I can only point to one President since 1929 that was both "liberal" in that they supported liberty and equality for everyone, and also "conservative" for upholding the traditional values of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" that this nation was founded upon. That President would be President Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Ronald Reagan often spoke of liberty and equality, and he certainly supported the traditional values of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," but he did not take any specific action to end the inequality and injustice the Democratic Party wrought upon the nation, like President Eisenhower did.


So you are saying in the last 84 years you'd only pick one President that you think represents the conservative political viewpoint?


Now another question if the nation was founded on the principals you describe why is it in 84 years you can only pick one President whom you think represents those principals?
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Old 08-14-2013, 03:52 PM
 
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None of what I posted is nonsense, although I am certain you would like to believe it to be. Everything I posted can be objectively verified as factual.

Since Presidents do not enact laws, and cannot be described as either "liberal" or "conservative" based upon the laws enacted by Congress, I can only point to one President since 1929 that was both "liberal" in that they supported liberty and equality for everyone, and also "conservative" for upholding the traditional values of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" that this nation was founded upon. That President would be President Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Ronald Reagan often spoke of liberty and equality, and he certainly supported the traditional values of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," but he did not take any specific action to end the inequality and injustice the Democratic Party wrought upon the nation, like President Eisenhower did.
This post is just about the most accurate of any thus far.
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Old 08-14-2013, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Conservatives were the backbone of those movements.

Doesn't matter if they changed their party name; they threw their hat in w/ the Conservative bloc afterwards.

Conservatives, then like now, fight to oppose the expansion of rights, freedoms, and opportunities to: voters, women, workers, gays, and any other groups that they can benefit from marginalizing.
You obviously do not know the definition of "conservative."

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I've asked this questions before too: name one effort modern Conservatives have undertaken to EXPAND rights that doesn't have to do w/ guns.
That is easy - the abolishment of the Affordable Health Care Act (a.k.a. "ObamaCare"). As usual, Democrats through ObamaCare seek to limit our "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" while conservatives continue to oppose Democrat fascism and anti-Americanism by supporting the traditional national values of "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness."
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Old 08-14-2013, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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So you are saying in the last 84 years you'd only pick one President that you think represents the conservative political viewpoint?


Now another question if the nation was founded on the principals you describe why is it in 84 years you can only pick one President whom you think represents those principals?
Only one President in the last 84 years actually took action to support the traditional values of the nation. Several have offered their verbal support, but we all know how much politicians enjoy lying. Actions speak louder than words. Eisenhower used federal force to end Democrat injustice and bigotry. That cannot be said of any other President since 1929.
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Old 08-14-2013, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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It doesn't matter what these frauds on C-D say, the modern conservative movement has its beginning in post FDR America. It has nothing to do with the founding of this nation.

Modern conservatism is a backlash response to FDR's huge expansion of government, labor union victories, and civil rights and equal rights for women movements.

All of this rhetoric about freedom is nonsense and has been nonsense. conservatives don't give one iota about freedom.

Again we have people who were alive during the civil rights movement who are still alive right now. Many of these people were leaders within that movement, ask them if they identified as conservatives. Ask them if they saw conservatives are allies in the fight for civil rights.

The answer to both would be NO.

conservatives are people who are trying to distort history to fake like they have a connection to the founders and now the civil rights movement. conservatives are liars.
One of the truest things in this thread.
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Old 08-14-2013, 04:11 PM
 
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Only one President in the last 84 years actually took action to support the traditional values of the nation. Several have offered their verbal support, but we all know how much politicians enjoy lying. Actions speak louder than words. Eisenhower used federal force to end Democrat injustice and bigotry. That cannot be said of any other President since 1929.
Ok, the question remains, if the nation was founded on the principals that you claim why is it in the last 84 years you can only claim one president as conservative and representing those values?
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Old 08-14-2013, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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You obviously do not know the definition of "conservative."
Do you have anything to back your hopeless attempt to redefine Conservatives?

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That is easy - the abolishment of the Affordable Health Care Act (a.k.a. "ObamaCare"). As usual, Democrats through ObamaCare seek to limit our "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" while conservatives continue to oppose Democrat fascism and anti-Americanism by supporting the traditional national values of "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness."
What expansion of rights is involved w/ the abolition of the ACA?
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Old 08-14-2013, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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One of the truest things in this thread.
Actually, it is not true at all. Since it was the Progressive Party of 1912, all of whom were former Republicans, who originally supported women's suffrage and sponsored the 19th Amendment.
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Old 08-14-2013, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Ok, the question remains, if the nation was founded on the principals that you claim why is it in the last 84 years you can only claim one president as conservative and representing those values?
Asked and answered. What part of "Only one President in the last 84 years actually took action to support the traditional values of the nation" were you not able to comprehend?
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Old 08-14-2013, 04:32 PM
 
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Asked and answered. What part of "Only one President in the last 84 years actually took action to support the traditional values of the nation" were you not able to comprehend?
You aren't answering the question. If the country was founded on certain principles as you claim and you think conservatives represent those principles, why aren't those principles reflected in who this nation elects as the President? Why is it that you can only pick out one conservative President in the last 84 years?
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