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Old 08-19-2013, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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Originally Posted by Oldhag1 View Post
Neither fighting for it, nor fighting against it. I agree with equality but way too many people don't want equality, they want better than equality.
There's a name for people like that: opponents of same-sex marriage.

 
Old 08-19-2013, 10:05 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Originally Posted by Lior Arel View Post
But your own anti-gay posting history makes us doubt how genuine your position is. I see nothing wrong with the policy. I guess if the US would just legalize marriage across all jurisdictions, it would be a moot point. Maybe that's part of the reasoning
What anti-gay posting history?
 
Old 08-19-2013, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Finger Lakes
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First of all, hear, hear!

While I agree with the rest in concept, there is still the issue of state's rights. They don't all have to agree.

In my experience of almost seven decades, you can't undo past inequalities by legislating or enacting new inequalities. You just have to start curative equality on a level playing field going forward.
I agree which is why I don't think the policy is fair. But then how do we address this inequality? Let's say I was a service member stationed in Okinawa and wanted to marry my partner. That means I would have to travel to California or Washington. It's 12 to22 hours travel time one way and $1500.00 for one person ($3000.00 for two) round trip from Okinawa (just checked for grins and giggles). Of course, then there's getting the license and other legalities (it's a 3 day waiting period here in Washington). Then 12 to 22 hours back...forget the honeymoon. What if my flight is delayed? We're already talking upward of 5 to 6 days. Seems like quite the undue burden when this is something a heterosexual couple would not have to contend with. Again, I agree an inequality is not solved by creating another one, but I ask again...how do we resolve the current inequality in the first place?

I was a military brat in the 70's and seem to recall that state law did not apply on base - couldn't the military chaplain perform the ceremony? That would be fair and equal.

I understand the state's rights issue, they certainly don't have to agree. But we can certainly work towards a day when they do.
 
Old 08-19-2013, 10:08 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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There's a name for people like that: opponents of same-sex marriage.
No. It is a neutral person.
 
Old 08-19-2013, 10:12 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Oldhag1 View Post
What anti-gay posting history?
It's there.
 
Old 08-19-2013, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Earth
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The leave should be uniform.

What if a heterosexual couple is stationed in Florida and they want to marry in Washington because their parents are too ill to travel?
The het can get legally married in the state of Florida.
The gay couple cannot.
Make gay marriage legal in all 50 states and the problem goes away.

See, there's an easy fix for what you perceive to be a problem.
 
Old 08-19-2013, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Earth
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My middle daughter and her, now, "wife" flew from the state in which they live that didn't permit gay marriage to a state 3,000 miles away (their choice) that did, got married, spent another day sightseeing and we're back to work on day four. I'm sure members of the military could do the same. Heterosexual couples aren't given, let's say, seven uncharged days off to marry and have a honeymoon. Why should gays? I applaud the policy for trying to be equitable but believe some of it is unequally excessive.

Isn't air travel, by jet-powered conveyance even, marvelous.
Did you miss the "up to" part?
If you live overseas, it can be "up to" 10 days.
 
Old 08-19-2013, 10:38 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Yes, because we pay our servicemen so well that they can just jet set off 3000 miles to get married.
Do you also complain about the extra days they get each month for "training holidays"?
I know it's provided in Europe and not always in the states and not always for every branch of military.
Are you complaining about that institutionalized difference?
Or is it just about gays that you're complaining?

BTW, are you saying that no military member should be able to afford to jet of 3000 miles to get married?
Generals get up to $250,000 a year in retirement.
Imagine what they make active duty.
 
Old 08-19-2013, 10:39 PM
 
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The military is there to go kill the enemy not for some social experiment. Just use California for that and leave everybody else alone already.
 
Old 08-19-2013, 10:40 PM
 
Location: Lewes, Delaware
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If they had these rules years ago, Cheney and Limbaugh wouldn't of asked for deferments.
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