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Old 08-26-2013, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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And while mainstream news outlets like MSNBC justify pushing more gun control by seizing on one incident of violent crime--like the shooting of Christopher Lane in Oklahoma or the heinous crime at Sandy Hook Elementary--they overlook thousands of defensive uses of guns that take place every day.
Yes, thousands.
Concealed Carry Proves Guns Are Part of Solution to Gun Violence
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Old 08-26-2013, 10:56 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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A study done the the U.S. Dept. of Justice under the Clinton administration in the 1990s, found that 3.1 million people reported using a gun defensively to stop or deter crime in the year 1994 alone. Many of them reported multiple uses, with a total of 23 million incidents of Defensive Gun Usage that year.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Such uses include times when the gun was only mentioned, times when the gun was produced in view of the criminal, times when it was fired with no one injured, times when the criminal was injured, and times when the criminal was killed. Of course, in the large majority of incidents, the gun was not fired, or was deliberately fired into the air (warning shot). In the vast majority of incidents, the criminal(s) either fled, or surrendered and was taken into custody.

The study states flatly that "guns are used far more often to defend against crime than to perpetrate crime."

As you can probably guess, these studies have received very little coverage in the mainstream media.

Other studies by other groups, including a recent one by the Obama administration, have shown similar patterns.

These results compile only the people who freely admitted to a stranger calling on the phone and saying he was from the government, that they had used their gun to defend themselves in a crime incident. The number of people who declined to answer, is not included.
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:11 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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A study done the the U.S. Dept. of Justice under the Clinton administration in the 1990s, found that 3.1 million people reported using a gun defensively to stop or deter crime in the year 1994 alone. Many of them reported multiple uses, with a total of 23 million incidents of Defensive Gun Usage that year.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Such uses include times when the gun was only mentioned, times when the gun was produced in view of the criminal, times when it was fired with no one injured, times when the criminal was injured, and times when the criminal was killed. Of course, in the large majority of incidents, the gun was not fired, or was deliberately fired into the air (warning shot). In the vast majority of incidents, the criminal(s) either fled, or surrendered and was taken into custody.

The study states flatly that "guns are used far more often to defend against crime than to perpetrate crime."

As you can probably guess, these studies have received very little coverage in the mainstream media.

Other studies by other groups, including a recent one by the Obama administration, have shown similar patterns.

These results compile only the people who freely admitted to a stranger calling on the phone and saying he was from the government, that they had used their gun to defend themselves in a crime incident. The number of people who declined to answer, is not included.
And, unsurprisingly, very little response from the gun-rights-hating liberals on C-D.
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:27 PM
 
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A study done the the U.S. Dept. of Justice under the Clinton administration in the 1990s, found that 3.1 million people reported using a gun defensively to stop or deter crime in the year 1994 alone. Many of them reported multiple uses, with a total of 23 million incidents of Defensive Gun Usage that year.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Such uses include times when the gun was only mentioned, times when the gun was produced in view of the criminal, times when it was fired with no one injured, times when the criminal was injured, and times when the criminal was killed. Of course, in the large majority of incidents, the gun was not fired, or was deliberately fired into the air (warning shot). In the vast majority of incidents, the criminal(s) either fled, or surrendered and was taken into custody.

The study states flatly that "guns are used far more often to defend against crime than to perpetrate crime."

As you can probably guess, these studies have received very little coverage in the mainstream media.

Other studies by other groups, including a recent one by the Obama administration, have shown similar patterns.

These results compile only the people who freely admitted to a stranger calling on the phone and saying he was from the government, that they had used their gun to defend themselves in a crime incident. The number of people who declined to answer, is not included.
Which types of guns are "used more to defend against crime than perpetrate it?" Are you claiming all guns? Are you claiming hand guns?

I can't remember the last time I heard anyone claim that shotguns or most rifles should be limited. I am aware of many who argue for the limiting of hand guns because of their widespread use in the commission of crimes.

BTW, just out of curiosity, which would you say is a better tool for defense of home and property for most people, a shotgun or a hand gun?
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:28 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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In other words, it's Chris Lane's fault he got murdered. He should have had a gun in his pocket (in addition to eyes in the back of his head, obviously).

Which actually raises a serious question for "gun-rights" proponents: should foreign visitors be allowed to carry concealed weapons? If not, isn't it then inherently unsafe for them to visit the US?
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:29 PM
 
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Oh no, not the debunked John Lott Jr. again.
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:33 PM
 
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Fine. We get it already, geez.
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:36 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Which types of guns are "used more to defend against crime than perpetrate it?"
(patiently)

Read the study.

Reading is key.

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Are you claiming all guns?
Read the study.

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Are you claiming hand guns?
Read the study.

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I can't remember the last time I heard anyone claim that shotguns or most rifles should be limited.
I suspect you cannot remember many things, when they disprove your agenda.
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BTW, just out of curiosity, which would you say is a better tool for defense of home and property for most people, a shotgun or a hand gun?
The one in your hand at the time.
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:38 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Oh no, not the debunked John Lott Jr. again.
The usual leftist-fanatic response, trying to pretend a study was "debunked" without being able to name anything wrong with it.
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:45 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Ah yes, John Lott... the guy who used econometrics to "prove" that bad things happened in society once women stayed bring allowed to vote. What is it they say about correlation and causation?...

I would prefer to first see his work confirmed by other reputed academics before trusting what he says as quoted in a right-wing mouthpiece like Breitbart.
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