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I doubt that 5.2% is a statistically significant number
153 crimes were committed in 2010, 142 in 2011.
It appears there was no significant change.
That being the case you'd have to agree guns in bars caused no demonstrable increase in violent crime.
After all, statistics are statistics. If 11 fewer dead people are statistically insignificant the numbers certainly do nothing to support the fears of "blood in the streets" expressed by naysayers.
Meanwhile, there were ZERO incidents of a gun being pulled out in a bar. The only 1 incident in the whole state involving guns in a bar was likely someone who's gun printed or was flashed to someone.
Matt. 24.43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
That being the case you'd have to agree guns in bars caused no demonstrable increase in violent crime.
After all, statistics are statistics. If 11 fewer dead people are statistically insignificant the numbers certainly do nothing to support the fears of "blood in the streets" expressed by naysayers.
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Originally Posted by shorebaby
Of course it is significant, predictions were that shootings would increase with passage of the law.
We don't enough data to say either way.
For example:
The article states that there were 153 gun/bar incidents in fiscal year 2009/2010.
The article does not state when the law was passed.
If the law was passed during fiscal year 2009/2010. That would make this possible (though unlikely)
For example:
The article states that there were 153 gun/bar incidents in fiscal year 2009/2010.
The article does not state when the law was passed.
If the law was passed during fiscal year 2009/2010. That would make this possible (though unlikely)
Statistics don't lie, but they can be easily used to fool people that don't understand statistics.
We were only told in the first sentence when the bill was passed. Are you sure you read the link? So of course we know the period of time we are looking at. And, of course the data is valid. And yes, I know your next question (which inexplicably you didn't research before accusing folks of being fooled) The fiscal year starts 7/1, so yes we are comparing full years and the same time period.
"When Virginia passed a law allowing concealed carry in bars and alcohol-serving restaurants beginning July 1 of last year, opponents of the change decried the dangers of mixing guns and alcohol, for fear violent crimes would escalate.
But one year later, the Richmond Times-Dispatch did a study to see if the gloomy prognostications came true.
According to state police records, not only did gun violence in bars and restaurants not increase under the new law, it decreased by 5.2 percent.
In fact, of the 145 reported crimes with guns that occurred in Virginia bars and restaurants in fiscal 2010-11 (compared to 153 incidents in the year before the new law took effect), only two of the aggravated assault cases were related to concealed-carry permit holders. In one incident, the crime took place at a restaurant that didn’t serve alcohol – thus unrelated to the new law – and in the other, the weapon was neither discharged nor withdrawn from its holster."
And finally, the Virginia experience simply validates what we have known all along.
"But the Cato Institute’s David Rittgers told the Times-Dispatch that years of data from the other 42 states that allow concealed carry in bars demonstrate loosening gun laws like Virginia has done not only fails to generate violence, it often decreases it.
“The worst that you can say about these laws is that they are statistically value neutral” in terms of impacting the crime rate, Rittgers said."
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Of course it is significant, predictions were that shootings would increase with passage of the law.
