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Old 09-03-2013, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Originally Posted by TriMT7 View Post
Yeah. COMPLETE moral (and legal) consistency between a gay wedding and Hitler.
They are arguing that a business MUST serve everyone.
That is the argument here.

Everyone has their own line in the sand for different reasons.
You can't be for one thing and against another using the same argument.

 
Old 09-03-2013, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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A bakery refused Adolf Hitler's parents? Are they still even alive? And was it a Polish bakery? Cause I don't think they are to fond of the Hitler family.
Deflect when you have no argument.

Should matter whether or not they were Polish.
You should be defending the parents saying a business MUST serve all that walk through the door.
 
Old 09-03-2013, 08:15 AM
 
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The people who make the cake don't have to participate in the wedding too. They were asked to make a wedding cake, and clearly the only thing that bothered them was the fact that two women wanted to buy it for their wedding.
"We will make your cake but please do not tell anyone where you bought it because we disagree with your lifestyle and we do not want associated with it".

How does this solve the problem?
 
Old 09-03-2013, 08:20 AM
 
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Gresham bakery that denied same-sex wedding cake closes | kgw.com Portland



Apparently, they will be operating the bakery out of their home.

Does anyone know if the same anti-discrimination laws apply to someone working out of their home?
Good for them. They can make cakes for whoever they want.

It's disgusting how homo fascists purposely target small businesses they know would be most likely to deny helping them promote gay marriage (as if there weren't plenty of other bakeries around).

It's like the gay "parents" who place their child in a Catholic school and then act shocked when they learn that gay couples aren't allowed at the prom. I'd like to see them try this stunt at a Jewish or Muslim school.
 
Old 09-03-2013, 08:25 AM
 
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Hitler is simply a name that you find offensive. The past leader of Germany was not asking for a cake to be made.

The law takes no issue with people denying cakes for any reason, except where denial is based on protected classes of people.


In this case, the law might actually find a loophole that the lesbian wasn't refused service, but the event was refused service. It is likely a grey area, to be determined after it works through the system.



But that's not what drove these attention wh***** fake Christians to lose a lot of business.

It was public reaction, free market forces at work that saw through their fake outrage. All the angry internet conservatives in the world won't be able to keep them afloat when they are not in tune with the values of their local community.
 
Old 09-03-2013, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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Gresham bakery that denied same-sex wedding cake closes | kgw.com Portland



Apparently, they will be operating the bakery out of their home.

Does anyone know if the same anti-discrimination laws apply to someone working out of their home?


Well, thankfully, Fair Housing Laws don't apply in the same type of circumstance.

BTW, they didn't refuse to sell cakes to the couple, they refused to bake one for their wedding. Secondly, you left out a pertinent fact: they were Christians. I'd like to see them try that at a bakery run by Muslims.

Wedding planners, bakers, and photographers should all be on notice about what the real gay agenda was and is and that "loving whomever you want" wasn't the goal at all. Not by a longshot.
 
Old 09-03-2013, 08:27 AM
 
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Originally Posted by TriMT7 View Post
The law takes no issue with people denying cakes for any reason, except where denial is based on protected classes of people.


In this case, the law might actually find a loophole that the lesbian wasn't refused service, but the event was refused service. It is likely a grey area, to be determined after it works through the system.



But that's not what drove these attention wh***** fake Christians to lose a lot of business.

It was public reaction, free market forces at work that saw through their fake outrage. All the angry internet conservatives in the world won't be able to keep them afloat when they are not in tune with the values of their local community.
I have no problem if they lost work because of negative publicity. The problem is the mess we create when we expect the government to punish people for having beliefs that are different than ours.
 
Old 09-03-2013, 08:28 AM
 
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They are arguing that a business MUST serve everyone.
That is the argument here.

Everyone has their own line in the sand for different reasons.
You can't be for one thing and against another using the same argument.

Who is arguing that?

The business must serve whomever the law has determined must be served without reference to a business owner's "personal feelings" about that person.


This includes the basis of religion, sex, ethnicity, and sometimes, sexual orientation.


If you want to refuse to serve Klansmen, or Black Panthers, based on their non-religious ideology.




I'm sure this good Christian bakery has made more than one Bar Mitzvah cake. Despite the fact their Bible says that rejection of Jesus is the ultimate sin.
 
Old 09-03-2013, 08:29 AM
 
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I have no problem if they lost work because of negative publicity. The problem is the mess we create when we expect the government to punish people for having beliefs that are different than ours.


No mess created. No problem created. These laws are not new. Very few people actually have true issue with them, as these kinds of laws go back to the mid-1800s. The only one with a "problem" are those who are apparently not fit for the responsibilities of civilization or life in a plural society.
 
Old 09-03-2013, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Originally Posted by TriMT7 View Post
Who is arguing that?

The business must serve whomever the law has determined must be served without reference to a business owner's "personal feelings" about that person.


This includes the basis of religion, sex, ethnicity, and sometimes, sexual orientation.


If you want to refuse to serve Klansmen, or Black Panthers, based on their non-religious ideology.




I'm sure this good Christian bakery has made more than one Bar Mitzvah cake. Despite the fact their Bible says that rejection of Jesus is the ultimate sin.
So if the owners said they wouldn't take the order because the woman's hair was brown then they are not breaking any law because brown haired women are not a protected class.

Well that sure puts it in perspective. Just lie about why you don't want to serve someone.
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