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1. just who is gonna make it "better" for the millions of women? why haven't we made it "better" yet?
2. avoid risking the outcome? since people started having sex, some women have risked their lives to get an abortion even when it is outlawed. it is called desperation. no woman should have to face that. a pregnancy needs a willing womb.
3. do you want to live in an america where a woman is forced to remain pregnant against her will?
4. what about the right to personal privacy and personal health care is ok for a man, yet not appropriate for woman?
1. Because many politicians often do not care about the well-being of ordinary people.
2. Allright, then let's offer more government assistance and help to such women.
3. Sure.
4. I am not sure if the Founding Fathers intended for the right to personal privacy to be this broad, and anyway, if one considers ZEFs to be persons, then there is also his/her/it and the rights that he/she/it is supposed to have to consider. Also, if a man will be pregnant, the same policies would apply to him. Opposition to legal abortion is not a misogynistic position in theory.
Also, here is a good compromise--how about when RISUG or something similar is available for men and for women, men and women who were sterilized (and who can prove this fact) will be allowed to get abortions and/or to opt-out of paying child support?
1. Because many politicians often do not care about the well-being of ordinary people. this will never change
2. Allright, then let's offer more government assistance and help to such women. most conservatives do not believe in more government assistance, especially for poor women and children. this won't change either. so the problem will always exist
3. Sure. you are ok with forcing a woman to remain pregnant and forced to give birth. wow amazing. you must not be a woman. just how are you going to force women to remain pregnant. do we have armed pregnancy camps? do we test women every few weeks between the ages of 12 and 45 to see if their pregnant? a national data base? thankfully we have a supreme court who would never allow this barbaric suggestion to take place.
4. I am not sure if the Founding Fathers intended for the right to personal privacy to be this broad, and anyway, if one considers ZEFs to be persons, then there is also his/her/it and the rights that he/she/it is supposed to have to consider. Also, if a man will be pregnant, the same policies would apply to him. Opposition to legal abortion is not a misogynistic position in theory. not sure what a ZEF is but if you are referring to a fetus, an nonviable blob does not get to have rights that supersede the womb in which it gets to grow. pregnancy is voluntary. a fetus does not get "personhood" status because it is not a person.
your notion "if man will be pregnant" is not worth addressing, fantasy is not part of this discussion, at least not on my part. yes, opposition to abortion is based on misogyny for some folks even if they admit ior not.
Also, here is a good compromise--how about when RISUG or something similar is available for men and for women, men and women who were sterilized (and who can prove this fact) will be allowed to get abortions and/or to opt-out of paying child support?
if the man or woman is sterilized why would they need an abortion? is this another fantasy like men being pregnant. even when sterilized there is pregnancy in a rare case. people practicing birth control and it fails do not have to continue a pregnancy against their will either.
1. if the man or woman is sterilized why would they need an abortion?
2. is this another fantasy like men being pregnant.
3. even when sterilized there is pregnancy in a rare case.
4. people practicing birth control and it fails do not have to continue a pregnancy against their will either.
1. Because, as you yourself stated, even sterilization sometimes fails.
2. Look up Thomas Beattie/Beatty (sp?).
3. Bingo--you just answered your own question.
4. In regards to birth control, it is probably much harder to conclusively prove that you were using it (and using it correctly) than if you got sterilized.
3. do you want to live in an america where a woman is forced to remain
pregnant against her will?
Sure.
you are ok with forcing a woman to remain pregnant and forced to give birth. wow amazing. you must not be a woman. just how are you going to force women to remain pregnant. do we have armed pregnancy camps? do we test women every few weeks between the ages of 12 and 45 to see if their pregnant? a national data base? thankfully we have a supreme court who would never allow this barbaric suggestion to take place.
This all comes back to sex. If a woman has sex she must be willing to carry a pregnancy to term and give birth. It's the answer to everything and so simple to implement with no side effects whatsoever....men just need to stop having sex. They do hold all the power but don't seem to want to exercise it.
1. you are ok with forcing a woman to remain pregnant and forced to give birth. wow amazing. you must not be a woman.
2. just how are you going to force women to remain pregnant.
3. do we have armed pregnancy camps?
4. do we test women every few weeks between the ages of 12 and 45 to see if their pregnant?
5. a national data base?
6. thankfully we have a supreme court who would never allow this barbaric suggestion to take place.
7. This all comes back to sex. If a woman has sex she must be willing to carry a pregnancy to term and give birth.
8. It's the answer to everything and so simple to implement with no side effects whatsoever....
9. men just need to stop having sex. They do hold all the power but don't seem to want to exercise it.
1. Nope, I'm currently not a woman, but I am open to the idea of getting a sex change and becoming a woman later on.
2. Simple--women and the doctors who helped them will get prosecuted if the authorities find out that these women got illegal abortions.
3. LOL No.
4. No.
5. No.
6. Of course not. I don't see why any U.S. Supreme Court should or would support things such as "armed pregnancy camps." However, there is a very real chance and possibility of Roe v. Wade getting repealed/overturned (what is the proper word for this here?) in the future by the U.S. Supreme Court.
7. Nope, she simply must be willing to accept the risk of doing this (unless her pregnancy is ectopic or something like this). You enjoy telling males to avoid having sex with fertile females if they don't want to risk paying child support, and your argument can be reversed to apply to women who don't want to get pregnant as well. Sucks, doesn't it?
8. Of course there will be side effects. This doesn't necessarily mean that we shouldn't do it.
9. Women have just as much of a say, if not more of a say (due to more female contraception currently being available), in preventing a pregnancy before one can occur as men do. Women can say "No" to having sex with fertile males as well.
1. Because, as you yourself stated, even sterilization sometimes fails.
2. Look up Thomas Beattie/Beatty (sp?).
3. Bingo--you just answered your own question.
4. In regards to birth control, it is probably much harder to conclusively prove that you were using it (and using it correctly) than if you got sterilized.
so you would ok an abortion if someone sterilized themselves and it didn't work? so why not when regular BC fails? why is it ok to abort sometimes and not others? sounds like a "judgment" call and the judgment is yours why the heck should you have any say what so ever about a woman's life you don't even know?
thomas beattie had a vagina at the time he gave birth so no, men can not get pregnant, unless they are living as a man and still have female reproduction organs.
get it through your head. woman have the right to abort. their reasons are their own and none of your business. as it should be.
Myself, I really don't see a difference between what she did and abortion. Her way is probably more humane than what happens to a baby during an abortion.
Yourself, that you can't see the difference between aborting a non-viable embryo/fetus and murdering a living, breathing baby is your problem and only you can solve it. A little education can go a long way....
1. so you would ok an abortion if someone sterilized themselves and it didn't work
2. so why not when regular BC fails?
3. why is it ok to abort sometimes and not others? sounds like a "judgment" call and the judgment is yours
4. why the heck should you have any say what so ever about a woman's life you don't even know?
5. thomas beattie had a vagina at the time he gave birth so no, men can not get pregnant, unless they are living as a man and still have female reproduction organs.
6. get it through your head. woman have the right to abort.
7. their reasons are their own and none of your business. as it should be.
1. As a compromise measure, Yes.
2. Because AFAIK, again, you can't conclusively prove this.
3. Because sometimes compromises are necessary in order to accomplish some of one's desired (political) goals. Ideally, I would oppose abortions and child support opt-outs in both of these cases, though. However, sometimes we need to make compromises in life and in politics in order to hopefully get at least a part of what we want.
4. I could ask you a similar question--why the heck should you have any say whatsoever in forcing males whose life you don't even know to pay child support? My response is because if one considers embryos and fetuses to be persons, then the government should be protecting them whenever it can and whenever it is feasible for it to do this.
5. Not right now, but eventually technology could allow men to get pregnant, such as in their abdomen or somewhere else.
Yourself, that you can't see the difference between aborting a non-viable embryo/fetus and murdering a living, breathing baby is your problem and only you can solve it. A little education can go a long way....
Here we go again. Sigh.
Again, embryos and fetuses are living, and they also use oxygen. The difference in breathing inside the womb and outside the womb is like switching from AC to DC power.
Yep, a little education can indeed go a long way for you as well.
2. Because AFAIK, again, you can't conclusively prove this.
3. Because sometimes compromises are necessary in order to accomplish some of one's desired (political) goals. Ideally, I would oppose abortions and child support opt-outs in both of these cases, though. However, sometimes we need to make compromises in life and in politics in order to hopefully get at least a part of what we want.
4. I could ask you a similar question--why the heck should you have any say whatsoever in forcing males whose life you don't even know to pay child support? My response is because if one considers embryos and fetuses to be persons, then the government should be protecting them whenever it can and whenever it is feasible for it to do this.
5. Not right now, but eventually technology could allow men to get pregnant, such as in their abdomen or somewhere else.
6. Of course they do right now, but there is no guarantee that they will have this right in the future.
7. So you would support it if a woman got a sex-selective and/or a race-selective abortion?
you are pro choice, if you think abortion is ok in some instances. you think woman should be forced to remain pregnant and give birth. you never said how you would accomplish this. what about children pregnant due to incest and rape victims?
there really is no need to try to compromise the issue has been settled.
men pay child support to living children because they are their children. men do not pay support to embryos.
an embryo is not a person, never will be.
I support a woman's right to choice. period. her reasons are her own.
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yes, opposition to abortion is based on misogyny for some folks even if they admit ior not. 
why the heck should you have any say what so ever about a woman's life you don't even know? 
