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Old 09-11-2013, 10:19 AM
 
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Its the same thing.
How is it the same? I've got hear this.
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Old 09-11-2013, 10:21 AM
 
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50+ guns? Expecting an invasion?

Probably a bunker too.
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Old 09-11-2013, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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I guess the gun nuts are hell bent on outing their own. Chances are that this child would have had the opportunity to shoot herself at home as well, being that are parents are obviously as dumb as a box of rocks.
http://m.cbsnews.com/storysynopsis.r...catid=57445563


This mom must be related to the box of rocks...
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Old 09-11-2013, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Chattanooga, TN
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For every one loudly-proclaimed case where a child dies because an adult was negligent with a gun there are dozens to hundreds of cases where children die because an adult was negligent when driving, or by letting the child drive, or with a backyard pool [2], or with a lawn mower, or with a choice of boyfriend/girlfriend, or with a choice of dog, or a general lack of supervision (child is playing in the street, or into a parking lot, or in a pond [2][3], or gets left in a hot car[2]).

All those deaths with just a few minutes of searching on the internet, and all occurred within the past few months. I could have filled pages with links if I wanted to devote the time.

I'm not trying to belittle the death in the OP's story, just to put it into perspective.

The gun's owners should have never left a loaded gun where a child could get it, or at least should have trained the child to NEVER EVER touch a gun and to ALWAYS assume any gun is loaded and dangerous. None of this means that guns should be outlawed or prohibited in National Parks. The current National Park policy (to follow state rules) is perfectly acceptable. If the state allows it, then National Parks inside the state should allow it.
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Old 09-11-2013, 10:39 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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I'm not trying to do anything. You asked who is more likely to hurt others and I answered. I have other links and stats but obviously we should simply disagree and leave it at that.
Right, you have other links based on the same disproven study.

This is not my first rodeo.

Guns are used at least 2.5 million times each year in self defense, how many people get hurt every year by their own gun?

The National Self-Defense Survey indicated that there were 2.5 million incidents of defensive gun use per year in the U.S. during the 1988-1993 period. This is probably a conservative estimate, for two reasons. First, cases of respondents intentionally withholding reports of genuine defensive-gun uses were probably more common than cases of respondents reporting incidents that did not occur or that were not genuinely defensive. Second, the survey covered only adults age 18 and older, thereby excluding all defensive gun uses involving adolescents, the age group most likely to suffer a violent victimization.

The authors concluded that defensive uses of guns are about three to four times as common as criminal uses of guns. The National Self-Defense Survey confirmed the picture of frequent defensive gun use implied by the results of earlier, less sophisticated surveys.

A national survey conducted in 1994 by the Police Foundation and sponsored by the National Institute of Justice almost exactly confirmed the estimates from the National Self-Defense Survey. This survey's person-based estimate was that 1.44% of the adult population had used a gun for protection against a person in the previous year, implying 2.73 million defensive gun users. These results were well within sampling error of the corresponding 1.33% and 2.55 million estimates produced by the National Self-Defense Survey.
Guns and Self-Defense by Gary Kleck, Ph.D.
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Old 09-11-2013, 10:42 AM
 
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Nothing wrong with people owning guns...

Something is wrong when people who have to invade the privacy of someone else life about a gun...
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Old 09-11-2013, 10:48 AM
 
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I guess the gun nuts are hell bent on outing their own. Chances are that this child would have had the opportunity to shoot herself at home as well, being that are parents are obviously as dumb as a box of rocks.
Very uncool. A beautiful little girl is dead, her family is obviously grieving, and this is your response?

Tragic accidents happen, and no details have been released on how this occurred.

If she had died in a car crash, would you be so callous?
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Old 09-11-2013, 10:48 AM
 
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Nothing wrong with people owning guns...

Something is wrong when people who have to invade the privacy of someone else life about a gun...
Absolutely! Every American should have the freedom and right to allow their babies and youngsters access to loaded guns on a family outing. I think that is why Teddy Roosevelt preserved the National Parks.
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Old 09-11-2013, 10:51 AM
 
Location: The Hall of Justice
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Right, you have other links based on the same disproven study.

This is not my first rodeo.

Guns are used at least 2.5 million times each year in self defense, how many people get hurt every year by their own gun?

The National Self-Defense Survey indicated that there were 2.5 million incidents of defensive gun use per year in the U.S. during the 1988-1993 period. This is probably a conservative estimate, for two reasons. First, cases of respondents intentionally withholding reports of genuine defensive-gun uses were probably more common than cases of respondents reporting incidents that did not occur or that were not genuinely defensive. Second, the survey covered only adults age 18 and older, thereby excluding all defensive gun uses involving adolescents, the age group most likely to suffer a violent victimization.

The authors concluded that defensive uses of guns are about three to four times as common as criminal uses of guns. The National Self-Defense Survey confirmed the picture of frequent defensive gun use implied by the results of earlier, less sophisticated surveys.

A national survey conducted in 1994 by the Police Foundation and sponsored by the National Institute of Justice almost exactly confirmed the estimates from the National Self-Defense Survey. This survey's person-based estimate was that 1.44% of the adult population had used a gun for protection against a person in the previous year, implying 2.73 million defensive gun users. These results were well within sampling error of the corresponding 1.33% and 2.55 million estimates produced by the National Self-Defense Survey.
Guns and Self-Defense by Gary Kleck, Ph.D.
No, they're different links and stats. Enjoy the rodeo.
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Old 09-11-2013, 10:52 AM
 
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Very uncool. A beautiful little girl is dead, her family is obviously grieving, and this is your response?

Tragic accidents happen, and no details have been released on how this occurred.

If she had died in a car crash, would you be so callous?
Bashing the moronic negligent parents is a wrong response? In what universe? There is no need for details other than the ones that have been released to comprehend how and why this happened. Your thinking is skewed.
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