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Old 07-22-2014, 11:45 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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One can only hope. It's true when they say young people are our future. If things don't change, you and I are going to have first row seats to the complete destruction of everything this country once stood for. I mean, the youth vote did go to man who admitted his goal was to "fundamentally transform America" in the last two elections.

My question is, what is wrong with America as it once was?[

It's called evolution. Technology has taken over. Like it or not, this is our future.
Yeah we are not taking about tech, we are taking about culture...

And that is always changing, and not always for the better...

 
Old 07-22-2014, 11:50 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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It's called evolution. Technology has taken over. Like it or not, this is our future.
I get what you're saying, but what exactly does the evolution of technology have to do with the principles this country was founded on?
 
Old 07-22-2014, 11:51 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Yeah we are not talking about tech, we are talking about culture...

And that is always changing, and not always for the better...
Exactly.
 
Old 07-23-2014, 12:07 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Exactly.
Remember change is not always a good thing..
 
Old 07-23-2014, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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seriously -

1 - there have been multiple "uprisings' within the US where guns were used against the federals. The 2nd amendment was not used as justification.

2 - using guns against the govt. is "treason" regardless of your feeling toward the administration or the government.


3 - the US Govt has a full military as well as a Civilian police force . . .

4 - IF the military took over, or a dictator took over. . .it would be easy for them to abolish laws that stood in their way . . .and the 2nd amendment would cease to exist, and your guns would go away.

Only a uninformed person would mistake the 2nd amendment for anything other than it is. That they had no standing army when it was written and that they were afraid of a disarmed state being invaded by britian or some other power. So they created the 2nd amendment so that these colonists could have guns against a foreign invasion (Tyranny of King George)


The fact that the NRA has bought and sold our govt. and morphed these regulations into things they aren't so they can sell more guns doesn't change the original intention. it just proves democracy is up for sale.
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If the government flagrantly violates the Constitution, is that "treason"?
To statist they are OK with any actions against any group or civil right they do not care about or hate..Until they are the targets in the cross hairs of the police state.
 
Old 07-23-2014, 09:27 PM
 
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Remember change is not always a good thing..
No, not always but we have to keep changing and learning even if mistakes are made.
 
Old 07-24-2014, 05:49 AM
 
Location: Ubique
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It's called evolution. Technology has taken over. Like it or not, this is our future.
You mean Socialism is our future? Do you even know old that throw-back is?
 
Old 07-24-2014, 09:50 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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No, not always but we have to keep changing and learning even if mistakes are made.

Then why is this administration trying things, that have already been tried over and over throughout history and expecting different results?
 
Old 07-24-2014, 10:05 AM
 
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Chris the fact that you took my statements about history and compare it to using a dirty bomb and killing innocent people proves that your side is only field by emotions.

The Government has no rights, only just powers that are well defined in Article 1 Section 8.

Buy hey use fallacies and lies..Has not stopped your side before.

What fallacies are we talking about here about goverment rights

Taking a dirty bomb into the 7/11, shooting up a police station, bombing a federal building, attacking a government installation of ANY kid by ANY means is not something the Constitution will protect you from


if Timothy McVeigh had stood up and said that his attack was justified, and that the government was tyrannical. . .could that of saved him from the needle?


Did the south, when it took up arms, get away with it. . .because they are allowed to rebel against a tyrannical govt?


During the Taos revolt . . .did we say "well they are just establishing their constitutional right to rebel"


Do not make any mistake. You are not protected if you think the US Govt itself is tyrannical. If we are invaded by Russia, than shoot away
 
Old 07-24-2014, 10:07 AM
 
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If the government flagrantly violates the Constitution, is that "treason"?
your thinking a govt. action is treason, does not make it treason.


If the Govt. violates the Constitution than the process would require the judicial branch to rule, and that ruling would decide if the govt violated or not. If violated than the US Govt would take actions (repeal, etc).

The US Govt polices itself, your only say is by vote - not by gun. Use a gun, your going to jail.
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