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Old 09-17-2013, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms.
Samuel Adams, (February 6, 1788), reported in Charles Hale, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts (1856), p. 86. This language was proposed in the Massachusetts convention for ratification of the U.S. Constitution to be added to Article I of that document.

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country; but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.
Original text of what was to become the Second Amendment, as brought to the floor to the first session of the first congress of the U.S. House of Representatives. original text

A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, but no person religiously scrupulous shall be compelled to bear arms.
Reworded version of the Second Amendment by the select committee on the Bill of Rights, July 28th 1789. AoC pp. 669).

A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; but no one religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.
Draft version of the Second Amendment sent by the House of Representatives to the United States Senate, on August 24th, 1789. (Note: When the Amendment was transcribed, the semicolon in the religious exemption portion was changed to a comma by the Senate scribe).

A well regulated militia, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed
Revision voted on in the U.S. Senate, September 4th, 1789.

A well regulated militia being the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Final version passed by the U.S. Senate; the phrase "necessary to" was added when the proposed Amendment was entered into the U.S. House journal.
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Old 09-17-2013, 09:52 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Of course, what the 2nd amendment really means is:

"Since an armed and capable populace is necessary for security and freedom, the right of ordinary people to own and carry guns and other such weapons cannot be taken away or restricted."

These people could have rephrased it that way, and actually gotten it right.

Why didn't they?
Here, I'll fix this for you.

"Since a well regulated militia is necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed by the federal government"

Yup, solid cold fact.
As usual, when the liberal fanatics are confronted with facts they can't refute but hate anyway, they respond by telling flat lies.

(yawn)

Is there any point in asking this person to point out where in the 2nd amendment it says this? Or reminding him what the Supremes pointed out in the Heller and McDonald cases?

Naw, pearls to swine......
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Old 09-17-2013, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Fans of the "overthrown the government" crowd don't like the original drafts, because it clearly shows that the 2nd was about national security, and denying the federal government a large standing military. Not that everyone should own all guns.
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Old 09-17-2013, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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I'm outraged. Well, not as outraged as Texas teaching creationism as science, but outraged nonetheless.
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Old 09-17-2013, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I'm outraged. Well, not as outraged as Texas teaching creationism as science, but outraged nonetheless.
No it doesn't; it teaches evolution.
I'm in the schools in Texas.
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Old 09-17-2013, 09:58 AM
 
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A History textbook in use at many high schools in Texas, deliberately misquotes the 2nd amendment to the U.S. Constitution, to try to give the impression that people only have the right to keep and bear arms when they are acting in a militia.

It's just another instance of anti-gun people trying to illegally restrict gun ownership.

It is increasingly clear (if it wasn't before) that eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. We must ALWAYS be on the lookout for things like this.

Texas high school history book revised the 2nd Amendment - BizPac Review
I thought it was Christian Conservatives that have control of Text books for kids.
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Old 09-17-2013, 10:03 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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I thought it was Christian Conservatives that have control of Text books for kids.
You did, huh?
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Old 09-17-2013, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I thought it was Christian Conservatives that have control of Text books for kids.
You thought wrong. They tried to push for creationism but it got thrown out..no religion in public school textbooks.

That was in 2009. In 2011 none of them came forward to try to push it again.
It's a dead issue.
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Old 09-17-2013, 10:33 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Little-Acorn View Post
Of course, what the 2nd amendment really means is:

"Since an armed and capable populace is necessary for security and freedom, the right of ordinary people to own and carry guns and other such weapons cannot be taken away or restricted."

These people could have rephrased it that way, and actually gotten it right.

Why didn't they?
This is a duplicate thread, but FYI, your blue above is not the ratified 2nd amendment. It was ratified as follows:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Also FYI, all of the amendments were paraphrased, so this was not the only one.
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Old 09-17-2013, 10:38 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Originally Posted by Little-Acorn View Post
A History textbook in use at many high schools in Texas, deliberately misquotes the 2nd amendment to the U.S. Constitution, to try to give the impression that people only have the right to keep and bear arms when they are acting in a militia.

It's just another instance of anti-gun people trying to illegally restrict gun ownership.

It is increasingly clear (if it wasn't before) that eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. We must ALWAYS be on the lookout for things like this.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/09/...mendment-83536
What's next?

Will they come out with a textbook that says the penalties called for in the Obamacare act, are not penalties but taxes? Even after the people pushing Obamacare for years before it was passed, swore up and down it contained no new taxes? And after the Senators who voted for it, did so only on grounds that it would contain no tax increases at all?

Naw, nobody would ever have the brazen effronery to tell a lie like that.
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