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Old 11-17-2007, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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You persist in setting your seige upon arguments not proposed. How many further degrees of irrelevancy are there than that?
Oh, perhaps the irrelvancy of the jailer whose charges are guilty of thoughts he cannot hear.
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Old 11-17-2007, 10:03 PM
 
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Why, nothing. It's that part about trying to pass off religious beliefs as scientific theories that travels the HOV-lane straight into the heart of downtown Deceptionville...

But if one is not deceived, it's more like Duckburg, n'est-ce pas?

Ah! Another pearl of random generation.
Or a truffle for a sensitive swine.
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Old 11-17-2007, 10:05 PM
 
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You really aren't so very good at this, you know. An actually adept practitioner of cannular complexification would have managed to remain within hailing range of an argument actually made.
There, there.

I didn't really expect an answer.
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Old 11-17-2007, 10:10 PM
 
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LOL / Make sure you keep close watch on those silent students. They may be praying.
More power to them. Especially when it comes to exam time...
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Old 11-17-2007, 10:13 PM
 
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There, there. I didn't really expect an answer.
As you really didn't raise a question...
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Old 11-18-2007, 02:50 PM
 
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As you really didn't raise a question...
Right -- aside from these:

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But what if the students wanted a moment of silence to simply collect their thoughts? Would the mere suspicion that such thoughts might veer -- ever so briefly -- into the spiritual realm, be enough to make that silence unacceptable to the Constitutional evolution from "Congress shall make no law", etc. to these ever-more-precise strictures on pedagogy? Indeed, what if a particularly wanton student were apprehended meditating illegally? What would be the punishment?
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Old 11-26-2007, 06:48 AM
 
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...what if the students wanted a moment of silence to simply collect their thoughts? Would the mere suspicion that such thoughts might veer -- ever so briefly -- into the spiritual realm, be enough to make that silence unacceptable to the Constitutional evolution from "Congress shall make no law", etc. to these ever-more-precise strictures on pedagogy? Indeed, what if a particularly wanton student were apprehended meditating illegally? What would be the punishment?
Separation of Church and State means separation of religion from civil authority. A student's thoughts veering into the spiritual realm is not civil authority over religion. However, a public school teacher using the authority of his office to urge, encourage, suggest or recommend that a student has a duty to pray is an usurpation of God's authority and an assumption of power not granted to the government.
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Old 11-26-2007, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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To inject a bit of irrelevancy into this Church/State argument I would comment that if given a moment of silence when I was a teen, I would not be praying but would be meditating on wondering if Susi-Q was wearing padding in her bra.

This was far more important than praying to a God to let me pass an English test. Besides, on a personal basis, I have always resented active prayer, under god, or moments of silence at public affairs.
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Old 11-27-2007, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Hill Country Texas
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To inject a bit of irrelevancy into this Church/State argument I would comment that if given a moment of silence when I was a teen, I would not be praying but would be meditating on wondering if Susi-Q was wearing padding in her bra.

This was far more important than praying to a God to let me pass an English test. Besides, on a personal basis, I have always resented active prayer, under god, or moments of silence at public affairs.

just curious why you "resent" moments of prayer etc?
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Old 11-27-2007, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Separation of Church and State means separation of religion from civil authority. A student's thoughts veering into the spiritual realm is not civil authority over religion. However, a public school teacher using the authority of his office to urge, encourage, suggest or recommend that a student has a duty to pray is an usurpation of God's authority and an assumption of power not granted to the government.
And all of this from "Congress shall pass no law."

Gotta hand to to you, Flash. You hear things a bloodhound don't.
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