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Old 10-01-2013, 12:28 AM
 
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Originally Posted by atltechdude View Post
It's still not getting through.

Obamacare does not add to the deficit. It raises revenue to pay for the subsidies.
So you agree no tax dollars should be used to fund obamacare and that the debt ceiling should not have a few trillion more dollars added to it?

I'm fine with obamacare as long as those who benefit from it pay for it and not one dime of taxpayer money must pay for it.

 
Old 10-01-2013, 12:29 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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I'm sorry but please stop being naive No one wants the government to shut down. But guess what, republicans will be blamed. Actually, the conservatives have held the elder republicans hostage to get their way. Who's playing the game here.
It's already started. Other Republicans like John McCain and Peter King have already started blaming the radical tea party Republicans for this, and rightly so.
 
Old 10-01-2013, 12:30 AM
 
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Welcome to the GOP of 2013, where a gov't shutdown increasing the cost of running the government means "fiscal responsibility", and demanding any conditions they want in exchange for keeping our country afloat is "compromise".

Why not just print more money and spend it on things that do not work like solar panels or buy guns for Mexican drug lords to track the guns what can go wrong with that.
 
Old 10-01-2013, 12:30 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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So you agree no tax dollars should be used to fund obamacare and that the debt ceiling should not have a few trillion more dollars added to it?

I'm fine with obamacare as long as those who benefit from it pay for it and not one dime of taxpayer money must pay for it.
You are conflating a bunch of things.

Yes tax dollars are used, that's why it's paid for. It does not add to the deficit, meaning we don't have to borrow more money to fund it.

We do have to borrow for all of the mandatory spending bills we've already incurred.
 
Old 10-01-2013, 12:36 AM
 
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A CR will be completed this week. Anyone care to bet against it? It's all political kabuki, and both sides are playing their parts.
 
Old 10-01-2013, 12:38 AM
 
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It's a beautiful day! Burn, America! Burn!

Signed,
A True Republican
Hey -- we're already several minutes into this shutdown and we're all doing just fine. Just take a couple deep breaths.

You guys have to stop running around like Chicken Little. You did that same thing with the sequestration and it turned out to be nothing.
 
Old 10-01-2013, 12:40 AM
 
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You are conflating a bunch of things.

Yes tax dollars are used, that's why it's paid for. It does not add to the deficit, meaning we don't have to borrow more money to fund it.

We do have to borrow for all of the mandatory spending bills we've already incurred.
No tax dollars should be used for obamacare. Then we could use them for those other bills and leave the debt alone.

What needs to be done is cut government spending and get the national debt down.
 
Old 10-01-2013, 12:45 AM
 
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I live in the DC area and know exactly what is going on because this is in my backyard.
NOBODY in DC has the slightest idea what reality is.
 
Old 10-01-2013, 12:46 AM
 
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Can someone that claims the democrats caused the shutdown help me out here. Given that obamacare passed into law, was upheld by the supreme court, obama was re-elected, and the attempts to repeal obamacare have failed over 40 times, where do republicans see any room for negotiation on this? And why do they think this is the proper place to do it, trying to tie it to the continuing resolution bill? Because it seems to me that the proper thing to do would be to pass this bill, and deal with obamacare separately. You can see why people are having a hard time with you backing republicans on this nonsense? The democrats should give in to this temper tantrum by compromising on something that has been decided nearly 50 times already? REALLY???
They learned it from the Democrats who have done this very thing for decades.
 
Old 10-01-2013, 12:47 AM
 
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That's just more partisan hackery. Whoever had the last vote is not relevant. The fact is that both sides disagreed.

The demands of the House were unreasonable. You don't get to hold the government hostage to get your way on major legislation when you LOST the election on exactly that legislative debate.
No, the demands of the House were not only reasonable, they are the only option that is reality.
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