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First, your personal story has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand.
As far as your first paragraph goes, lets get to that.Your assuming that just because of my race, I should somehow be held responsible for the acts committed by others of my race. That is flat out wrong.
Whether its profiling white males for gun rights because of school shootings, or Middle Eastern people because of terrorist acts (Police are 8x more likely to kill you than terrorist by the way), or poor people because they simply won't have the legal defense... it's flat out wrong.
What happened to probable cause and our 4th Amendment rights? Why should I be pulled over simply for driving while black? Or walking while black?
If you can debate the morality and legality of that you'll have an argument but right now I don't see a clear argument other than "your race commits the most violent crime." Which is actually a pretty lazy argument when you don't even go into what factors could have contributed to that in the 1st place.
I wasn't commenting on your race at all. I don't know, nor do I care what your race is, or anyone else's for that matter. It doesn't matter. Putting people into bins solves nothing.
The anecdote from San Antonio that I provided spoke directly to the hypocrisy of this sort of argument. In the case of the local news story, the majority of the comments were critical of the homeowner defending his property. Saying he was too harsh to use deadly force. Most of the comments were sympathetic towards the criminals. The criminal that died would be alive today if he were not trespassing on private property, in the wee small hours of the morning, committing a crime. It is the criminals fault he died, not the person protecting his property. That speaks directly to this discussion. People want to complain that people caught in the process of breaking the law face the consequences of their actions.
I wasn't commenting on your race at all. I don't know, nor do I care what your race is, or anyone else's for that matter. It doesn't matter. Putting people into bins solves nothing.
The anecdote from San Antonio that I provided spoke directly to the hypocrisy of this sort of argument. In the case of the local news story, the majority of the comments were critical of the homeowner defending his property. Saying he was too harsh to use deadly force. Most of the comments were sympathetic towards the criminals. The criminal that died would be alive today if he were not trespassing on private property, in the wee small hours of the morning, committing a crime. It is the criminals fault he died, not the person protecting his property. That speaks directly to this discussion. People want to complain that people caught in the process of breaking the law face the consequences of their actions.
I'm pretty sure EVERYBODY on this board does not condone true criminal behavior. Nobody wnats to be robbed, or have their property stolen, or be assaulted, etc.
However, the people who fall victim to the illegal behavior of the Police, are not always those people. For example, the man in FL who was stopped 250+ times in 2 years was simply an employee at the convenience store. What was his crime??
What was the crime of the black man who was shot and killed by the Police when looking for help after an accident? What were the crimes of all of the black men who are illegally stopped by the Police simply for being black? What about the Hispanics stopped by the Police simply because they are Hispanic?
Just to give you a better picture of what I'm talking about, here's a list of incidences reported in just one day. If you check out the site, you'll see that its not merely "a few bad apples." It's thousands of officers each year who are breaking the law and victimizing peaceful citizens.
This is just in 1 day of reporting. And this is only the documented cases...
Here are the 10 reports of police misconduct tracked for Friday, January 24, 2014:
Henderson County North Carolina: A deputy was arrested at his home. He’s charged with three felony counts of sex offense with a student. The Sheriff says he is “sickened” by the charges. ow.ly/sTajg
Mount Pleasant, New York: The police chief was arrested in his home for possession of child pornography. He told investigating federal agents his personal collection of child porn originated from researching material for sexual abuse school classes that he was teaching. ow.ly/sVku3
Update: Baltimore, Maryland (Previously reported 08-20-13): A now-former police officer pled guilty to traveling across state lines and using the telephone and internet to operate a prostitution business. The officer’s 19-year old wife and another 19-year-old woman worked for him. ow.ly/sViih
Update: Clayton County, Georgia (First reported 09-03-13): A now-former police officer with the U.S. Marshals Fugitive Task Force has pleaded guilty to conspiring to distribute drugs. Said the U.S. Attorney, the officer “was a drug dealer with a badge. He used his official position to traffic drugs and now faces a significant sentence for his betrayal of trust.” Former policeman with US Marshal pleads guilty to dealing drugs | 11alive.com
Cuyahoga County, Ohio: The prosecutor’s office confirms that a 23-year-veteran county sheriff department supervisor has been indicted for grand theft, theft in office, and tampering with records. He resigned from his post. ow.ly/sTc3E
Update: Lewis County, Washington (First reported 01-08-14): A deputy arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol has resigned. Lewis County deputy resigns in wake of DUI arrest
Denver, Colorado: A sheriff’s deputy supplied three teenage girls with alcohol during an overnight visit to a casino where he filmed them at the pool and lay in bed with them, police wrote in an arrest affidavit. ow.ly/sVhS1
Some of you act as if ALL Police are saints and is if they can do no wrong. But that clearly is not the case. Others comment about how "few the incidents are" but that's not actually the case either. There's thousands of cases each year of Police misconduct, excessive force, etc. An overwhleming amount aren't even brought to trial. In New Jersey for example, only 1% of all complaints are investigated.
Where is the accountability of public servants? You can't expect a just a civil society if you allow corruption to go unscathed. Above are only the documented incidents. How many other victims are there out there who have never received justice?
And to tie it back into the thread, how many people are unlawfully charged, arrested, or detained for things that they did not do?
They are not saints but the are not some bloodthirsty thugs neither .....
What's your point by the way?
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Originally Posted by Gtownoe
Just to give you a better picture of what I'm talking about, here's a list of incidences reported in just one day. If you check out the site, you'll see that its not merely "a few bad apples." It's thousands of officers each year who are breaking the law and victimizing peaceful citizens.
This is just in 1 day of reporting. And this is only the documented cases...
Here are the 10 reports of police misconduct tracked for Friday, January 24, 2014:
Henderson County North Carolina: A deputy was arrested at his home. He’s charged with three felony counts of sex offense with a student. The Sheriff says he is “sickened” by the charges. ow.ly/sTajg
Mount Pleasant, New York: The police chief was arrested in his home for possession of child pornography. He told investigating federal agents his personal collection of child porn originated from researching material for sexual abuse school classes that he was teaching. ow.ly/sVku3
Update: Baltimore, Maryland (Previously reported 08-20-13): A now-former police officer pled guilty to traveling across state lines and using the telephone and internet to operate a prostitution business. The officer’s 19-year old wife and another 19-year-old woman worked for him. ow.ly/sViih
Update: Clayton County, Georgia (First reported 09-03-13): A now-former police officer with the U.S. Marshals Fugitive Task Force has pleaded guilty to conspiring to distribute drugs. Said the U.S. Attorney, the officer “was a drug dealer with a badge. He used his official position to traffic drugs and now faces a significant sentence for his betrayal of trust.” Former policeman with US Marshal pleads guilty to dealing drugs | 11alive.com
Cuyahoga County, Ohio: The prosecutor’s office confirms that a 23-year-veteran county sheriff department supervisor has been indicted for grand theft, theft in office, and tampering with records. He resigned from his post. ow.ly/sTc3E
Update: Lewis County, Washington (First reported 01-08-14): A deputy arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol has resigned. Lewis County deputy resigns in wake of DUI arrest
Denver, Colorado: A sheriff’s deputy supplied three teenage girls with alcohol during an overnight visit to a casino where he filmed them at the pool and lay in bed with them, police wrote in an arrest affidavit. ow.ly/sVhS1
Some of you act as if ALL Police are saints and is if they can do no wrong. But that clearly is not the case. Others comment about how "few the incidents are" but that's not actually the case either. There's thousands of cases each year of Police misconduct, excessive force, etc. An overwhleming amount aren't even brought to trial. In New Jersey for example, only 1% of all complaints are investigated.
Where is the accountability of public servants? You can't expect a just a civil society if you allow corruption to go unscathed. Above are only the documented incidents. How many other victims are there out there who have never received justice?
And to tie it back into the thread, how many people are unlawfully charged, arrested, or detained for things that they did not do?
I defend all people. Regardless of color. And have for the entirety of my life.
The issue wouldn't be about race if black's and other minorities weren't profiled based upon race. You can't create a problem and then blame the victims for addressing the problem.
i support jessie jackson and admire him for trying to bring the death of 9 thousand young black men every year to a close. you want diversity? stop the violence. when the sheep run the wolves think its discrimination. stop the killing. you are either with jessie or against him.
you cant demand justice from God with the blood of your brother on your hands, he will not hear you.
saying who am i? my brothers keeper? (i am not responsible for those deaths some body else created the problem aka archie bunker maker of the evil 9mm) does not cut it.
The corrupt members of the police force target ANYONE who is odd/vulnerable. Like many low income minorities, they are easy targets.
I won't go into my experience, but it taught me that the folks with beefs against the police/legal system aren't necessarily disgruntled criminals who got caught.
The corrupt members of the police force target ANYONE who is odd/vulnerable. Like many low income minorities, they are easy targets.
I won't go into my experience, but it taught me that the folks with beefs against the police/legal system aren't necessarily disgruntled criminals who got caught.
i agree it needs attention. but 2 wrongs dont make a right.
they also like to ticket fat rich white people who they know can pay the traffic ticket.
in fact after i get one i am pretty much convinced the guy in blue must be satan.
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