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Old 10-16-2013, 09:31 PM
 
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Originally Posted by pnwmdk View Post
LOL!!! Toll roads produce nothing.

Stadiums produce nothing.

Skate parks produce nothing.
Dog parks produce nothing.

Banks produce nothing.

Try again. I think you fail to comprehend what "produce" means. Here's a hint; it has NOTHING to do with taking money from people.

Oh, and the tollways suck. They might be the best roads in Illinois... But in the overall scheme of things, they are atrocious in cost, and substandard at best.
Please define "produce" in an economic sense.
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Old 10-16-2013, 09:33 PM
 
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I can tell you as a TRAINER, I produce trained special operations soldiers and operators
Which produces nothing.


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I can also tell you that in the private sector...I would make at least 50% more....but being a retired army combat veteran, I would rather use my knowledge and skill set to train other soldiers
That's all fine and good. They still produce NOTHING.

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most government employees (the average worker is gs7-gs11) are UNDERPAID...the union (which most are not, has NOTHING to do with salery...salery is set and raised by congress...and has been FROZEN for the last 2 years....governemt employees are paid LESS than their civilian counterparts
That is absolutely untrue.


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the federal health plan is the LOWEST plan available...example the AETNA gov plan has HIGHER co-pays and less benies than the STANDARD AETNA
And it's paid for by people who often can't pay their own, because they get to be robbed for paychecks for drones, who produce nothing and obstruct anyone who does.

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and the government worker STILL PAYs THE PREMIUM out of your check EVERY PAY PERIOD
No, they don't. The taxpayers PAY IT ALL.

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Federal Employees Paid A Quarter Less Than The Private Sector: BLS ..... .........government-employees-23-percent-less-private-sector
You need to stop reading the site known as "never post anything true".
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Old 10-16-2013, 09:35 PM
 
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Please define "produce" in an economic sense.
Sure.

Things which are necessary and improve our life.

And no, government NEVER improves our life. It takes from us and obstructs everyting in our life, in return, we get to overpay them.
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Old 10-16-2013, 09:38 PM
 
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Sure.

Things which are necessary and improve our life.

And no, government NEVER improves our life. It takes from us and obstructs everyting in our life, in return, we get to overpay them.
Okay, you're either 16 years-old or satirizing the proverbial ignorant right-wing knuckle-dragger.

That's not what "produce" means.

Each and every thing I listed involves a service produced by the government.
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Old 10-16-2013, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Ever notice how the collapse is inevitable every time the Democrats win an election? (like 2006, or 2008, or 2012)

Or that the collapse is inevitable every time the Democrats win a legislative battle? (like passing the Affordable Care Act in 2009, or shutdown-a-palooza just now)

Or that the collapse is inevitable every time a Supreme Court ruling comes down that favors the left? (like 2012, Affordable Care Act)
COLLAPSE is inevitable and ongoing, as you read this.

The nearly 17 Trillion dollar public debt is not what you think it is.
The facts are not known by many Americans, nor understood.

Without the tiresome legal citations, here are the facts:
Since 1933, no dollars have circulated.
Federal Reserve notes “dollar bills†are not dollars, but IOUs denominated in dollars.
Since 1933, they have not been redeemable, and thus have no par value - worthless.

They ARE legal tender on obligated parties on said IOUs. By law, the U.S. government is an obligated party. And by agreement, the enumerated “human resources†(via FICA) are also obligated parties.

Restating, if you have an account and number with Socialist InSecurity, you are a “contributor†pledged as collateral on that public debt. YOU and your property are pledged as a surety - and obligated to pay claims made upon the bankrupt U.S. government.

Another way of looking at it, Congress is kiting bad checks that you have co-signed on. When the creditor comes a-knocking, YOU and YOURS shall be taken in default.

I repeat : if you are a “voluntary†participant in FICA, you are the real party at risk from a government default on the public debt.

To compound matters, the debt can never be paid. By law, the debt computes to over 800 billion ounces of gold, stamped into coin. World wide supply (est) is only 5.6 billion ounces. So any talk of “balanced budgets†or “fiscal responsibility†is heifer dung and propaganda for the sheeple. Congress has been DEAD BROKE since 1933, and running under “Emergency Rules.†The irony is that by our consent, they can keep going and going and going.

This will not end well.

..........
References:
Coinage Act of 1792, et seq
Title 12 USC Sec. 411
FICA / Social Security Act of 1935
House Joint Resolution 192, June 1933
Legal Tender Status
" Federal Reserve notes are not redeemable in gold, silver or any other commodity, and receive no backing by anything. This has been the case since 1933. The notes have no value for themselves, but for what they will buy. In another sense, because they are legal tender, Federal Reserve notes are "backed" by all the goods and services in the economy."
[The site coyly avoids mentioning that FICA is the means by which all YOUR goods and labor back their worthless IOUs.]
Senate Report 93-549
War and Emergency Powers Acts
"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years (as of the report 1933-1973), freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of national emergency."
... ABRIDGED BY LAWS ... UNDER EMERGENCY RULE ...
Constitutional U.S.A. (1787 - 1933) R.I.P.

COLLAPSE IN PROGRESS, PLEASE PARDON THE MESS
- - - the government
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Old 10-16-2013, 09:51 PM
 
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Okay, you're either 16 years-old or satirizing the proverbial ignorant right-wing knuckle-dragger.

That's not what "produce" means.

Each and every thing I listed involves a service produced by the government.
Politicians like to bring up "economists say X," even when there isn't broad agreement on the matter. However, when there's broad agreement, like on rent control, it's hard to argue.

To wit, economists, in a very large majority, oppose subsidizing stadiums:

http://college.holycross.edu/RePEc/s..._LitReview.pdf

58% of a random sample of the American Economic Association strongly agree that "Local and state governments in the U.S. should eliminate subsidies to professional sports franchises." 28% agree, 9% are neutral, and only 5% disagree.

So while yes, the government can produce something, doesn't make it the right thing to do.
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Old 10-16-2013, 10:04 PM
 
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Okay, you're either 16 years-old or satirizing the proverbial ignorant right-wing knuckle-dragger.

That's not what "produce" means.

Each and every thing I listed involves a service produced by the government.
No, it produces nothing. It takes vast sums of money, filters it through a massive bureaucracy, wastes a bunch, contracts things to be done at outrageous prices, and then obstructs everyting else.

It doesn't produce a damn thing.
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Old 10-16-2013, 11:38 PM
 
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Though it is popular to engage in partisan arguments, the issue is simple. When recipients can outvote the donors, no politician will dare to reform the government.

COLLAPSE of AMERICA
http://www2.tbo.com/news/opinion/201...-co-ar-341112/
Almost 60 percent of all Americans (dependents included) get 100 percent of their income from government (federal, state and local): as workers, Social Security and SSI recipients, other pension beneficiaries and general assistance. The American State, as paymaster to so many people, has created a class of servants.
No matter which partisan political party you embrace, if you're part of the growing recipient class, your self interest will drive the nation to collapse.

When the fleas dominate the dog, the dog dies - - - then the fleas.

That's called a parasite. The parasite lives off it's host until it eventually kills the host.
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Old 10-16-2013, 11:40 PM
 
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So you are against military, police, firefighters, teachers, and other needed employees that help the country function? And you compared all of them to fleas? Seriously, you need to get a grip before you guys lose more voters.
LOL, there you go again, the all or nothing argument. I'll spell it out for you.

The military, police, firefighters, teachers give something in return. Freeloaders don't give anything but they sure take. Now we have to many takers and trying to take something off them is like trying to take a bone off a Rottweiler.

Is that easy enough for ya to understand?
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Old 10-16-2013, 11:44 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Come on......you know better than that.

Here's a story about police officers and their pay.

In 2008, the chief made $332,529.88. He wasn't the highest paid person on the force, though. That distinction belonged to one of his two captains, who made $335,676 while working two days a week due to a disability and spending the other three days a week in physical therapy. The other captain? He had to get by on $311,369.

The 50 highest-earning employees of this city were all members of the Police Department. Combined, these 50 earned $10 million, or an average of $200,000 each.

That's decent money for NYC, right? I mean, after all, these people are risking their lives.

Except.......they aren't risking their lives in NYC.

They are working the mean streets of Clarkstown, NY.

The compensation of the police department comprises 25% of the town's $130 million budget.

You can imagine that the "captain" -- that 2 day a week guy -- is going to have a massive pension. Because, after all, he's a union guy.

The problem is that these positions are TAXPAYER funded, not funded by the revenue generated by the police department. And taxpayers deserve a say when they get f**ked like this.

Don't even get me started about the hard working city employees of Bell, California.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/03/ny...anted=all&_r=0
And? Should police be on a sliding scale? The more they get shot at, the more they get paid?
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