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Perhaps it could be because they're constantly told that God hates them? Last time I checked, God doesn't hate anybody! IMO don't blame God, blame religion. Organized religion does have it's pros, but it isn't without it's flaws either. Considering that there are numerous different versions of Christianity could be the reason that a lot is misinterpreted. I choose to follow Christ's simple rules of believe in me, and love thy neighbor as thyself.
Only by a small group, I'd have to say this view is more of a east side of the states. Out in the west this is not really seen, we have more of a problem with not being Mormon where I'm at.
I do believe Christianity seems to have too many organized churches with organized ways! Added books and man made rituals have cluttered the message of Christ.
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Personal experience with the starvation army shepherds.
You take one personal experience and call the whole organization bad Not to say they don't have some money issues they need to address. Corruption within is why most of the groups should not continue to run with no accountability.
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Wow, well I am gay and minister to a large church. I say something nice about God every week when I preach, plus whenever I get the chance. The denomination I am with is quite large and I know of other gay/lesbian/transgender minister's and we all have nice things to say about God... though to be honest we all do criticise hypocritical Christian's, you know the ones that hate, exclude etc. all in the name of Jesus.
I don't think that makes us anti-Christian, rather anti-hypocrite.
My example was of those gays here on C-D since this is where the debate and hate goes on........What would be more interesting is to see how many in your church have read the Bible not just carry it with them. Same goes for most "Big" churches how many of those people even know what the Bible actually says about sex to begin with. Most people only know what they've learned from church on Sunday or Bible Study on Wednesday from others.
The real hypocrites are those who have never read the Bible and claim to be Christian.
I'm a lesbian and don't think Christians are icky. The only time I bring up religion in regards to homosexuality is when some Christians are fighting to prevent the secular laws of this country from treating me equally because of their personal religious beliefs.
Keep YOUR religious beliefs in your own life and out of mine, and I have no issue with you or your beliefs.
You are one who I see gets pushed into defending your lifestyle, you're not who I was thinking of. I don't recall you mocking during your debates, that's always disrespectful and degrades ones intelligence.
I do think it's not ALL Christians who push their beliefs on others, just as you believe not all gays want to teach our children to all be gay.
I do think this may be more of an LGBT conspiracy though to ruin another Christ based organization.......
Real life grinches ranging from Walmart to the Associated Students of the University of California, at liberal epicenter Berkley, want them muted or, in UC-Berkley’s case: banished!
A Potsdam, New York bell ringer outside a local Wal Mart was told he can’t play holiday tunes on his trumpet to entertain customers. Wal Mart’s corporate spokes person said this complies with an agreement with the Salvation Army to provide a ” distraction free ” environment for shoppers, staff and volunteers.
What could a sane Salvation Army bell ringer do to merit such a severe penalty?
Alleged homophobia by the charity nationwide is the offense, Complaints have been compiled by LGBT activists accusing soup kitchens and shelters of discrimination.
You are one who I see gets pushed into defending your lifestyle, you're not who I was thinking of. I don't recall you mocking during your debates, that's always disrespectful and degrades ones intelligence.
I do think it's not ALL Christians who push their beliefs on others, just as you believe not all gays want to teach our children to all be gay.
I do think this may be more of an LGBT conspiracy though to ruin another Christ based organization.......
Real life grinches ranging from Walmart to the Associated Students of the University of California, at liberal epicenter Berkley, want them muted or, in UC-Berkley’s case: banished!
A Potsdam, New York bell ringer outside a local Wal Mart was told he can’t play holiday tunes on his trumpet to entertain customers. Wal Mart’s corporate spokes person said this complies with an agreement with the Salvation Army to provide a ” distraction free ” environment for shoppers, staff and volunteers.
What could a sane Salvation Army bell ringer do to merit such a severe penalty?
Alleged homophobia by the charity nationwide is the offense, Complaints have been compiled by LGBT activists accusing soup kitchens and shelters of discrimination.
Wal mart sets the rules for their property. If ANY group wants to raise funds on their property, they must follow the rules. My son is a boy scout. We sold popcorn in front of wal mart, but there was a list of rules we has to follow. We had to stay a set number of feet from the door (some of the kids got in trouble for standing in front of the door) we could not play any music, we could not hand out any paper fliers, we could not set foot inside the doors (bathroom breaks were the exception), There had to be an adult for every 2 children. Nothing that would be a disturbance to the customers. He didn't receive any penalty, he had to follow the rules just like any other group that are soliciting donations.
When people say that humans are born heterosexual or homosexual etc they are not saying that babies 'desire sex' or are sexual. They mean that sexual orientation is 'pre-wired' in the fetal brain while still in the womb. Sexual orientation doesn't usually become apparent for most people until after puberty when the release of hormones are triggered by that original 'wiring' and the body starts to mature.
The fetal brain develops during the intrauterine period in the male direction through a direct action of testosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hormone surge. In this way, our gender identity (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and sexual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb.
There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity or sexual orientation.
They are pre-wired to be perverts, little innocent infants? No that's of a pedophile mindset. There is no excuse for viewing a child in such a way. They are innocent. I understand you are explaining it, not necessarily agreeing with it. So I am answering as such.
View infants AS THEY ARE. Innocent, sweet cute. Not containing any pre-wiring or anything perverted which results in that type of depraved behavior. No they aren't born that way. Anyone who's held an infant knows such by looking at them. Pedophiles insist on somehow seeing infants this way, that's how it is. Normal people do not.
Lot (Abraham's nephew) was also a "righteous" man. He offered up his 2 young virgin daughters to be gang raped. Then later he had drunken sex with them and impregnated them.
Great examples of "righteous" "men of faith".
Not surprising that internet porn has it's biggest sales to 'men of faith' in the Bible Belt states.
Also not surprising that so many "Christians" used to use 'scripture' to justify slavery.
Yes, so true. But God had not set down the new covenant yet, all that junk was to show us how faulty the old covenant was. The new covenant doesn't allow such.
Do I get it? No absolutely not. How God could ever allow such things is beyond me.
They are pre-wired to be perverts, little innocent infants? No that's of a pedophile mindset. There is no excuse for viewing a child in such a way. They are innocent. I understand you are explaining it, not necessarily agreeing with it. So I am answering as such.
View infants AS THEY ARE. Innocent, sweet cute. Not containing any pre-wiring or anything perverted which results in that type of depraved behavior. No they aren't born that way. Anyone who's held an infant knows such by looking at them. Pedophiles insist on somehow seeing infants this way, that's how it is. Normal people do not.
What are you talking about? When you say "depraved behavior" are you talking about homosexuality?
Sexuality is an innate, biological characteristic. I'm gay. I always have been. I became aware of my sexuality when I hit puberty at age 10.
So you are unaware of the history of slavery in the US and how it was supported by many Christians? Try educating yourself by reading the works of Frederick Douglass... for example.
Christian Ministers preached FOR slavery from the pulpit in American Churches in the 1800's.
Slavery was condoned in the Bible- or are you unaware of that too?
You do know that slavery back then did not equate to the slavery we know of right?
Yes the employees did live and work on site, and were often part of the family, but they were not "slaves" as in what we know today.
They are pre-wired to be perverts, little innocent infants? No that's of a pedophile mindset. There is no excuse for viewing a child in such a way. They are innocent. I understand you are explaining it, not necessarily agreeing with it. So I am answering as such.
View infants AS THEY ARE. Innocent, sweet cute. Not containing any pre-wiring or anything perverted which results in that type of depraved behavior. No they aren't born that way. Anyone who's held an infant knows such by looking at them. Pedophiles insist on somehow seeing infants this way, that's how it is. Normal people do not.
People have a pre disposition to be heterosexual, or homosexual. Just like people have a pre disposition to be left or right handed. It has nothing to do with having sex with children. I am a lesbian (not a pervert) I have always had attractions to women. I am not attracted to female children. Just like heterosexual women have attractions to males. Even younger girls have attractions to males, my son had a "girlfriend" in first grade. All innocent, nothing to do with having sex. Pre teens have Bieber, or who ever the flavor of the week heart throb is, posters on their walls. AGAIN all innocent, nothing to do with having sex. Simple crushes.
SOME people have crushes on the same sex. STILL all innocent nothing to do with having sex.
When those little girls grow up they still have attractions to males, or other females. THEN the relationships start becoming more physical.
Infants are predisposed to many things. What hand they write with, genetic diseases, even IQ. No one is saying that an infant is a genius, but most geniuses are pre wired to be so from birth. No one is saying infants can write, but when they do, their dominate hand is pre wired. And no one is saying that infants have or want sex, but when they grow up they will have a sexual orientation that is pre wired.
Sexual orientation is just one of the many things infants come pre wired with.
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Last time I checked, God doesn't hate anybody! IMO don't blame God, blame religion. Organized religion does have it's pros, but it isn't without it's flaws either. Considering that there are numerous different versions of Christianity could be the reason that a lot is misinterpreted. I choose to follow Christ's simple rules of believe in me, and love thy neighbor as thyself.
Not to say they don't have some money issues they need to address. Corruption within is why most of the groups should not continue to run with no accountability. 
