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Old 11-30-2013, 11:55 AM
 
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You must not have been very old during the Carter administration or else you wouldn't have written that. You may not have liked Bush or his policies, but that doesn't make him inept, and there have definately been worse. That is true even if we pretend the current administration is not in consideration for your statement, because we are never going to agree on who is worse between Obama and Bush.
The worst Presidents in my lifetime from worst to less worse.

1. Obama
2. Carter
3. Johnson
4. Nixon
5. Bush I
6. Bush II

None of them had a clue about governance.

 
Old 11-30-2013, 11:57 AM
 
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stopped reading after #2, only extremely naive people think Presidents create jobs.
Again showing how closed minded you are. Of course presidents don't create jobs but their policies can effect job creation and Obama's policies certainly did hurt businesses, they are downsizing and there is no reason to take a risk to grow business which hurts job creation.

Obama’s average unemployment has been 8.8% (Bush’s was 5.27%),
labor force participation rate is at the lowest since Oct. 1978 at 63.4%, without the benefit of much job growth -

the country has netted 270,000 jobs since 2009, and the majority of Obama’s job creation has been temp & part-time jobs. No hype, no contest.
 
Old 11-30-2013, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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There is nothing you Pubs can say or do to run away from the fact that Dubya was the worst president in history. He was a pathetic, inept Republican. Desperately clinging to stupid lists like this shows that you Pubs don't belong at the table.

President Obama is a great President and doing a fine job...and don't you forget it either.

I'm wondering where you came up with this idea, how can he be doing a great job when he doesn't know what his administration is doing in the first place. You can not give him credit if he has no clue on whats going on.
 
Old 11-30-2013, 03:01 PM
 
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Another garbage thread. W was the most inept President in a century or more. I have a feeling the "Independent Review" is not quite what its name implies.
Sorry, Carter was the most inept until the current fool outdid him in spades.
 
Old 11-30-2013, 03:06 PM
 
Location: South Bay
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believe me, I have never been wealthy, but very much middle class, as is most of my family. Pray tell how were you hurt by his policies. My oldest is a little younger than you: she and her husband were doing very well then and still are. Today, their kids are in the same boat they were in the 80s. As I said, except for student loans, none are suffering, all have decent jobs and are living a very typical middle class life style.

You made the comment, we are still suffering from Reagans policies; pray tell, do you have any idea how many young people are traveling, taking their kids on vacations we only dreamed about when our kids were growing up or how many of the young people today are able to buy homes we couldn't afford until we were in our mid 40s. I could go on and on; I just do not see how you can really think we suffered then or now under his policies?

Anyone who claims such nonsense about Reagan didn't live through it. It was to me what the fifties were to the last generation. It was the biggest jump in middle class prosperity EVER! These young people are being trained to believe that the present is somehow getting better in spite of the past; by the very people who are destroying the future. They call themselves Progressive, when they are just run of the mill Marxists in a brand new suit.

My family bleeds middle class. We've never been wealthy, have always worked hard, and most definitely paid our dues.

IMHO, the present is getting better in spite of the political class, both left and right, and it's pissing Obama off. That pesky Constitution is cramping his style.

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I'm not sure I'd rate Reagan the greatest, but no one can reasonably argue that Obama isn't the worst.
He has been intentionally bad. His idea of fundamental change meant turning us into a full blown socialist state, just like his daddy dreamed of. "the Dreams of His "family abandoning communist" Father"

This is a guy who almost worships Ho Chi Minh. When you're raised by 60s radicals, you tend to become a radical. Obama made it to the WH on lies, the biggest one being that he would uphold and defend the Constitution.

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Old 11-30-2013, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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Originally Posted by Oldhag1 View Post
You must not have been very old during the Carter administration or else you wouldn't have written that. You may not have liked Bush or his policies, but that doesn't make him inept, and there have definately been worse. That is true even if we pretend the current administration is not in consideration for your statement, because we are never going to agree on who is worse between Obama and Bush.
It's like an internet poll for the top 10 guitar rock riffs in history that only go back to 1990. If Bush was the most inept the 200 years preceding him were of little substance, right? I love when kids think their answers are the only acceptable ones.
 
Old 11-30-2013, 04:33 PM
 
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stopped reading after #2, only extremely naive people think Presidents create jobs.

????

Presidents do not create jobs. However, they do kill jobs.

1. Obamacare

2. War on coal

3. limiting energy exploration on federal lands

4. excessive EPA regulations

5. Poor trade policies (NAFTA and China trade deals)

6. Allowing illegal immigration, driving down US salaries and increasing unemployment

7. opposing national right to work laws

8. support of the trial lawyer's association, increasing the cost of business and reducing employment
 
Old 11-30-2013, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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stopped reading after #2, only extremely naive people think Presidents create jobs.

Correct.

They either support or oppose the efforts of real job creators.

Obama is clearly a president who opposes the efforts of job creators.
 
Old 11-30-2013, 05:49 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Hooverville and Obamaville are comparable.
 
Old 11-30-2013, 06:14 PM
 
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Correct.

They either support or oppose the efforts of real job creators.

Obama is clearly a president who opposes the efforts of job creators.

Yes, isn't it amusing, with Obama's dismal failures, that liberals now contend that the POTUS does not make any difference in the economic well being of the nation?

Well............................... if the POTUS is so irrelevant to libs, why not just concede the presidency each time to a conservative?
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