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Old 11-27-2013, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Originally Posted by surfman View Post
I'll give him credit for being the last President to actually be a moderate and work across the aisle. Though lets also give credit to GWB for doing much the same, though the Democrats were for him before they were against him.

This President has done his best to create a one-party rule, and we are now reaping what he has sown.
I think you've hit on an important point. The 2009 'stimulus' was passed without a single R vote in the House. Then ACA was passed in early 2010, again without a single R vote, and zero bipartisan support or input.

Now Pres. Obama desperately needs the bi-partisan cooperation of House Rs to enact fixes to Obamacare, and I doubt that many of them are going to be inclined to give it. We saw a similar dynamic under Bush when R's controlled everything. One party rule goeth before a fall.

 
Old 11-27-2013, 01:54 PM
 
Location: South Bay
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People still believe Carter is one of the best presidents in history. Proof that idiots are born every minute.
 
Old 11-27-2013, 01:58 PM
 
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LOL, Carter had more brains in his pinky finger than Reagan had in his head. He had multiple PHD's, was a PHD in Physics on top of it! Carter was bringing the economy back the right way, without putting us into massive debt. If we would have toughed it out through 4 more years with Carter's leadership this would be a much better country today.
Carter proves beautifully that being educated does not mean you are smart. Carter was a moron, with zero common sense. Bringing the economy back? Seriously? Thank goodness there wasn't 4 more years of him.
 
Old 11-27-2013, 02:04 PM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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Heh. Yeah. Can't wait to see those numbers. He'll be leaving not too long after Obamacare goes nuclear with the employer provided plans being canceled and rates going through the roof.

And Benghazi is (finally) bubbling up, too. That could get bad for him.

Don't forget the IRS scandal - that hasn't gone away.

Three years is a very long time in politics, and a lot can happen, but there's a mountain of potential for him to be disgraced between now and then, and I don't see how he escapes all of it, especially Obamacare.
Leftists and Obots still claim these are non-issues and "phony scandals"...
 
Old 11-27-2013, 02:06 PM
 
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Don't you wish you knew?
no, not really...
 
Old 11-27-2013, 02:08 PM
 
Location: South Bay
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Originally Posted by jmqueen View Post
Bush's wars were not in the budget until Obama put them there. Now, poof! Cons can claim that their hero was budget-conscious and Obama is just a spending fool, even though the opposite is true.

And I truly don't consider you to be someone whose views "validate" my points.
The fact that you believe Obama's $6T debt...
National debt up $6 trillion since Obama took office - CBS News
US debt surges $328 billion in single day, surpassing $17 trillion for first time ? RT USA
Having Added Record $5.9T to Debt, Obama Claims He

President George W. Bush - President Bush added the most to the debt, more than $6 trillion. This more than doubled the debt, which was $5.8 trillion on September 30, 2001 -- the end of FY 2001, which was President Clinton's last budget

President Franklin D. Roosevelt - President Roosevelt increased the debt the most percentage-wise. Although he only added $236 billion, this was more than a 1,000% increase over the $23 billion debt level left by President Hoover's last budget.

President Barack Obama -
The second largest contributor to the debt dollar-wise was President Obama. He added $4.8 trillion, a 41% increase, in just one term.
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Yet Factcheck.org maintains that about 14.5 percent of the 2009 deficit is attributable to Obama, which is no small contribution. Factcheck.org also notes that “spending under Obama remains at a level that is quite high by historical standards. Measured as a percentage of the nation’s economic production, it reached the highest level since World War II in fiscal 2009 and has declined only slightly since.”

This means that while Obama escapes much of the blame for 2009, he doubled down and swelled spending, maintaining trillion-dollar deficits ever since. Indeed, he won enactment of an $860 billion stimulus bill and increased some of the spending in a $410 billion omnibus bill that year, and of course in 2010 signed the health care law, which is projected to massively skyrocket spending in years to come. In fact, “costs will total nearly $1.3 trillion through the year 2022,” Factcheck.org writes.
Intellectual honesty on the national debt « Hot Air
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...is a myth, says loads about which one of us is valid.
 
Old 11-27-2013, 02:09 PM
 
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did you know him personally? were not talking "personality" he seemed like a likeable enough sort, however your reply is based on personality not his accomplishments or lack of. so it's ok with you that he only suffered from dementia for the last part of his presidency? that's rich. you didn't address any of the list of reasons why people thought he sucked as a president, just skipped over it to remind us what a swell man he was...much like his presidency. you could start by Reagan's lack of response when our marines were killed. then tackle his lack of response for the aids epidemic. the man was not a great president.
lol... but she/he knew him personally so they knew exactly when the dimentia set it.
 
Old 11-27-2013, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Here you go. The fact that you`re concerned about what percentage of Obama is black speaks volumes about you. How many voted for Romney or McCain because they`re not black?
Poll: 51 percent of GOP primary voters think Obama born abroad - Andy Barr - POLITICO.com
Fail.

1. Primary voters, not the whole party.

2. 500 is a VERY small sample for a scientific poll. In fact, I've never seen any serious national poll with that few respondents.

Like I said, fail.

But I'm sure you'll just ignore reality and allow your confirmation bias to rule your thought process. Par for the course around here.
 
Old 11-27-2013, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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Reagan was the beginning of the end for the middle class. Amazing that many are still touting his trickle down voodoo supply side garbage economics.

The Raw Story | Pablo Mayhew | How Ronald Reagan destroyed the American Dream

As for the worst POTUS, scholars agree that it was Bush and you really need not be a scholar to know that.

Presidential scholars: Bush is the worst president of the modern era, bottom five of all time | ThinkProgress
And meanwhile it was Bill Clinton who signed NAFTA into law.
 
Old 11-27-2013, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Originally Posted by jmqueen View Post
Bush's wars were not in the budget until Obama put them there.
What budget? Please post a link to the law you're referring to.
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